How does this hand win? :S

[PokerCake]

Quite a noob at Razz (started today) and read top hands and stuff.
Can someone explain how he wins if Ace is the lowest card and 3 is his lowest? :S

[Gtrain24]

You count backwards, so since your low was T,8,7 and his low went T,8,5 he has the better hand if that makes sense, as the 5 is lower than ur 7.

[chobbo]

From what I've gathered from playing razz, scores are determined from highest to lowest card, rather than lowest to highest.

Easiest way this was explained to me, is that instead of reading it as for example, ace 2 3 6 8, you should read it in reverse as 8 6 3 2 Ace

If someone else comes along with ace 3 4 5 7, they win, because it reads (from highest to lowest) as 7 5 4 3 ace, which beats 8 6 3 2 ace.

[Suicide_KINGS98]

wtf

[DanChile]

Its true.

in Razz( 7card Stud Low) the NUTS hand is 5,4,3,2,A

Straights, flushes etc do not matter. Winning hand is only based on the card number value.

[PokerCake]

Originally Posted by Gtrain24

You count backwards, so since your low was T,8,7 and his low went T,8,5 he has the better hand if that makes sense, as the 5 is lower than ur 7.

Ahhh okay, I was wondering wth?! How'd he win. Thanks for shedding some light for me

[DaNRL]

Originally Posted by PokerCake

Ahhh okay, I was wondering wth?! How'd he win. Thanks for shedding some light for me

[ ] +EV playing a game you don't even know the rules for?

[cheekyduck]

umm, i googled, but it is still really, really messed up and hard to understand. does anyone know of any good tutorials for this game?

[DanChile]

Hope this helps... excerpt from Pstars help pages on how to play the poker variants...


Razz (7 Card Stud Low)

Razz (Seven Card Stud, played for low only) is a poker game in which the best Ace to Five low poker hand wins the pot at showdown.
In Razz poker, players are dealt seven cards throughout the course of the hand, but only the best five-card hand possible for each
player is used to determine the winner.
Note that unlike Seven Card Stud Hi/Lo or Omaha Hi/Lo, there is no "eight or better" requirement to win the pot in Razz.

Razz uses the ‘Ace to Five’ or ‘California’ system for ranking low hands.
Straights and flushes do not count against a hand, and aces are low, so the best possible hand is a "wheel": 5, 4, 3, 2, A.

Rules for Playing Razz

Before a game of Razz begins, all players ante a nominal amount (the exact amount depends on the game, and is displayed in the table’s title bar).
Each player is dealt two hidden hole cards and one exposed card.
The player with the highest exposed card is the "bring-in", and is forced to make another nominal bet or a full small bet (again, the exact size of the
bring-in depends on the game). Action continues clockwise around the poker table until betting is complete for the round.

Rule Note: For the purposes of determining the bring-in in Razz, ties in card rank are broken by suit, with the order from highest to lowest
being spades, hearts, diamonds and clubs.
The highest suit brings in, so if the queen of hearts and queen of diamonds are visible at the beginning of the hand, and a queen is the highest card,
then the queen of hearts would have the bring-in.

Each player now receives an exposed card, called "Fourth Street".
The first player to act is the player with the strongest (lowest) exposed hand.
By rule, this player may either check or bet. The bet will be a small bet ($2 in a $2/$4 game).

Each player now receives another exposed card, called "Fifth Street". Again, the first person to act is the player whose exposed cards are lowest.

Rule Note: Starting on Fifth Street and for the rest of the hand, all bets are in big bet increments ($4 in a $2/$4 game).

Each player now receives another exposed card, called "Sixth Street".
Again, the first person to act is the player whose
exposed cards are the lowest.

Each player now receives a seventh and final card, which is dealt face-down and known only to the player to whom the card is dealt.
As with earlier streets, the first person to act is the player whose exposed cards have the lowest poker value.

If there is more than one remaining player when the final betting round is complete in Razz, the last bettor or raiser shows his or her cards.
If there was no bet on the final round, the player in the earliest seat shows his or her cards first (Seat 1, then Seat 2, and so on).

Showdown - Determining the Winner

The player with the best five-card Ace to Five low hand wins the pot.
Remember that (unlike Seven Card Stud Hi/Lo and Omaha Hi/Lo), there is no "qualifier"; the best low hand wins the entire pot.
After the pot is awarded to the best hand, a new game of Razz is ready to be played.

If two or more hands have the same value, the pot is equally split among them.
There is no precedence of suit for the purposes of awarding the pot.

If you are familiar with stud poker then you should be able to pick up Razz fairly quickly.
If you are unfamiliar with stud poker or Seven Card Stud, we recommend you try that poker game out first to get a feel for how the game is played.

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So basically you are dealt 7 cards but only count your lowest 5 cards to determine the winning hand. Simple.
You are dealt 3 starting cards after which you can bet and also on each card dealt thereafter.
Since streets 3 to 6 (4 cards) are exposed to all at the table... you judge whether your hand is good or not
based upon what you can see in the other players exposed cards and bet accordingly as each street is
being dealt out. You can fold at anytime you wish if you feel or judge another player has a better "low" hand.

[SwoopAE]

Originally Posted by Gtrain24

You count backwards, so since your low was T,8,7 and his low went T,8,5 he has the better hand if that makes sense, as the 5 is lower than ur 7.

This

A-2-3-4-5 is the nuts, followed by A-2-3-4-6, followed by A-2-3-5-6, etc

So a J-7 low beats a J-9 low, because you want the cards to be lower.