JJ

[USUALSUSPECT]

$3 1R1A
sitting 180/220 - <108th pay
open limp from a new player to the table. I have note on player referring to his terrible bet sizing. otherwise no reads.
I felt my 3bet was a little small and probably should have been around 2500.


Pre: Should I be shoving the open limp? What is my 3bet size?

Post: Fold or Shove? The bet from EP seemed overcards w/ flush draw or set and I normally get married to the overpair here

PokerStars Game #54182173876: Tournament #337839701, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (350/700) - 2010/12/13 18:41:48 AEST [2010/12/13 2:41:48 ET]
Table '337839701 29' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: bigshot2004 (62955 in chips)
Seat 2: supportmyhab (29782 in chips)
Seat 3: nomoreslip (8516 in chips)
Seat 4: SkyFk (11494 in chips)
Seat 5: morino9999 (50555 in chips)
Seat 6: flash-aw (14140 in chips)
Seat 7: u$uaL$u$pect (14299 in chips)
Seat 8: roc_star27 (24848 in chips)
Seat 9: MrSnowy (62510 in chips)
bigshot2004: posts the ante 85
supportmyhab: posts the ante 85
nomoreslip: posts the ante 85
SkyFk: posts the ante 85
morino9999: posts the ante 85
flash-aw: posts the ante 85
u$uaL$u$pect: posts the ante 85
roc_star27: posts the ante 85
MrSnowy: posts the ante 85
roc_star27: posts small blind 350
MrSnowy: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to u$uaL$u$pect [Jh Jc]
bigshot2004: folds
supportmyhab: folds
nomoreslip: folds
SkyFk: folds
morino9999: calls 700
flash-aw: folds
u$uaL$u$pect: raises 1450 to 2150
roc_star27: calls 1800
MrSnowy: folds
morino9999: calls 1450
*** FLOP *** [3c 9h Th]
roc_star27: checks
morino9999: bets 7000
u$uaL$u$pect:

[bishop]

what was your note on his bet sizing?

I raise anywhere from 2000 through to 2500 pre flop. I also don't mind shipping in 20BB here, which is what I do 90% of the time (now).

Without any history I definitely ship the flop.

[risk2Dupside]

We have 20bb, we iso'ed a limper, we flop an overpair, we get donked into by the limper, we SHOVE. Jamming pre is fine too.

There is nothing other than these facts (stats or otherwise) that we even need to consider. /thread

[USUALSUSPECT]

this fucking game ... and I am no begginer ... pnw mods do my fucking head in ... these spots are doing my fucking head in ...
am I wrong? am I right?
This is a key hand after 4 hours in this particular mtt ... I guess it's just tilt factor that drives me to post.
It's always a hand like this where I double or bust that I choose to focus on because all my chips are at risk. I didn't feel it was black and white and I felt I could get a small discussion.

fuck the micros, fuck this site, fuck you, fuck this game! ........... until tomorrow

[Strong Play]

I didn't feel it was as black and white ... especially in the 'micros' where none of you fucking grind.

then why ask us?

[risk2Dupside]

I didn't feel it was as black and white ... especially in the 'micros'

When you have <30bb as the preflop raiser and have TPTK/overpair in the majority of situations all the chips are happily going in on the flop or soon thereafter, it's that simple really.

And I still play some small tourneys fwiw (and coach people that play them/review their hands) - donk leading into the preflop raiser means way less there than it does at any other buyin level.

[pkrmonster]

[QUOTE=USUALSUSPECT;266688]
sitting 180/220 - <108th pay
open limp from a new player to the table. I have note on player referring to his terrible bet sizing. otherwise no reads.

I really don't understand why your asking this question. I can only assume your playing scared.

If i was in this situation sitting 180/220 - <108th pay and got this scenario i would creaming my pants

[USUALSUSPECT]

then why ask us?

this is a good point ... hence my removal

part of my tilt factor is to want answers straight away ... even sometimes without comtemplating the consequences of asking stupid questions.

I just hate these spots.
When I'm running bad ... It gives me a sense of insanity and anxiety ... as if I am always making the wrong move and I cannot stop the bad results

I did shove [which I know is standard] and the faggot shows down T9o - top two - which holds.

I will learn one day not to ask stupid questions.
today is not that day.

[hip]

hi usual,
i dont have as much experience but this would be how i'd interpret:

big stack limps from mid, generally with a marginal hand. Could be Ax; suited connector; bunch of KJ type of hands.

you got jacks, id raise 3x which is what you did.

on the flop, id get married to the overpair. could very well be up against KT,AT,KQ,QJ,KJ,87, hearts.

i think we're infront enough times to warrant a call.

[USUALSUSPECT]

I don't know whether to love you or hate you dodds ...

It makes me angry when you acutely point out my obvious streak of retard ...

but I learn from it ...

still undecided