tournament v cash

[pokerhontas]

can someone pls explain to my n00b self why in cash games the standard raise is always 3.5x while in tournaments people only raise 2.5x and sometimes less. pot control? but wouldnt the same apply to cash games?

simple explanation pls no complex responses. i am wayyyyy too slow

[jamarpa]

Just a noob myself Donna, but would be going with Tournament Life. Cash you can buy back in, Tournament, your out quicker?

[zipping]

Standard raise in cash is no more than 2.5x for good regs.

[InTheWhiskaz]

I don't know if either standards are standards but in a tourney with shallow stacks and importance of tournament life you have nearly as much fold equity with a small raise of even 2.2x as you would with a 3x raise. And for the most part later in tourneys you are looking to steal for cheap.

[risk2Dupside]

Standard raise in cash is no more than 2.5x for good regs.

That's untrue. 3x is mostly the standard and some players open to 3.5x utg, the reason being you don't want to give people who have position on you good odds to flat when you're playing with 100bb+ stacks. Some players open the btn to 2-2.5x for the reason that they will be in position for the whole hand (and because it makes steals cheaper and it becomes cheaper to flat 3bets IP).

Because stacks are much shallower in MTTs you have to be more economical about what you're trying to achieve, and the lower implied odds from shorter average stacks don't justify as much flatting in position so you can get away with smaller open sizes, and 2-2.5x is becoming the norm.

[SwoopAE]

Effective stack sizes are generally deeper in cash game play, so people can raise to a larger amount without making the stack to pot ratio really small postflop

[thret]

Because stacks are much shallower in MTTs you have to be more economical about what you're trying to achieve, and the lower implied odds from shorter average stacks don't justify as much flatting in position so you can get away with smaller open sizes, and 2-2.5x is becoming the norm.

+1

Also in cash games, your opening size depends on just how much people are happy to limp call. The fish will generally limp call larger amounts, which is why you sometimes see a few limpers followed by a 20x raise and one caller. This is how you isolate. MTTs are less fish-centric and more about stealing blinds.

[zipping]

Edit: my post is for 6 max I always assume that because thats all I play so comments are irrelevant for FR.

Its not a hard and fast rule that you must open 2.5x and obviously tonnes of people choose to open higher and some winnners do open higher. Table opponents tendencies play a big role in what the first in raise is. Fish playing ATC 4-5x can be standard, however If you are sitting with regs/competents then the standard is 2.5x but some will bump to 3x from UTG.

Whats interesting is how most regs open utg at on average 15% these days and then higher for subsequent positions. Obviously this allows for more 3 betting etc. The higher frequency in opening utg means many regs have adjusted there first in raise size down.

There are more winners whose standard rasie is 2.5x and lower than those who raise 3x or higher imo.

[dekkyboy]

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simple explanation pls no complex responses. i am wayyyyy too slow [/QUOTE]

That's untrue. 3x is mostly the standard and some players open to 3.5x utg, the reason being you don't want to give people who have position on you good odds to flat when you're playing with 100bb+ stacks. Some players open the btn to 2-2.5x for the reason that they will be in position for the whole hand (and because it makes steals cheaper and it becomes cheaper to flat 3bets IP).

Because stacks are much shallower in MTTs you have to be more economical about what you're trying to achieve, and the lower implied odds from shorter average stacks don't justify as much flatting in position so you can get away with smaller open sizes, and 2-2.5x is becoming the norm.

Let's pay attention to the request dears.... it's not all about you champion...

[berry1]

Edit: my post is for 6 max I always assume that because thats all I play so comments are irrelevant for FR.

Its not a hard and fast rule that you must open 2.5x and obviously tonnes of people choose to open higher and some winnners do open higher. Table opponents tendencies play a big role in what the first in raise is. Fish playing ATC 4-5x can be standard, however If you are sitting with regs/competents then the standard is 2.5x but some will bump to 3x from UTG.

Whats interesting is how most regs open utg at on average 15% these days and then higher for subsequent positions. Obviously this allows for more 3 betting etc. The higher frequency in opening utg means many regs have adjusted there first in raise size down.

There are more winners whose standard rasie is 2.5x and lower than those who raise 3x or higher imo.

just out of interest what stakes do you play zipping? (just wondering cause obvs there will be slight difference between stakes, only playing 50nl atm, doing okish over small sample might move up soon, but yea 3x seems to be pretty standard)