Basic Question. 4-bet sizing sb vs bb

[berry1]

Villain is 46/33 pre and 3-betting 7%

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
Hero ($59.15)
BB ($56.75)
UTG ($53.35)
UTG+1 ($70.55)
CO ($50)
BTN ($96.50)

Dealt to Hero J:heart: A:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4, [color=red]Hero raises to ???

Basically ive got 2 really simple questions

1) what's a good standard 4-bet size against a standard reg here?
2) how much more would i have to make it against this guy? (figure he's probably going to want to peel off a flop a lot of the time)

[risk2Dupside]

Villain is 46/33 pre and 3-betting 7%

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
Hero ($59.15)
BB ($56.75)
UTG ($53.35)
UTG+1 ($70.55)
CO ($50)
BTN ($96.50)

Dealt to Hero J:heart: A:heart:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4, [color=red]Hero raises to ???

Basically ive got 2 really simple questions

1) what's a good standard 4-bet size against a standard reg here?
2) how much more would i have to make it against this guy? (figure he's probably going to want to peel off a flop a lot of the time)

1) $10 looks good..vs a reg oop it's usually gunna go $1.50/$5-6/$11-12 here

just call, he threebet really small, he seems awful, you're suited...

[Al]

In general, 4 bets should be 22-24 bb's, somewhere in there.

[allena]

Agreed with the answer previously stated.

[FSL009]

I like the min or just slightly more than a min 4 bet...

what are peoples thoughts on the following questions though:

1. If he 5 bet shoves are you calling here. Should we alter what we do here based on this question?.
2. If you expect him to call you everytime with your 4 bet (no history here so who knows) would we change our approach.
3 Assume he has been folding alot of hands in this spot after your 3 bet, would you ever fold a suited AJ here.

I guess given its 6-max which I dont play alot, were assuming that AJ is the best hand nearly all the time right?

[berry1]

1. folding. pretty much every single person in the worlds 5-bet shove range crushes us. We'd need some sort of reason to call

2. If we expect him to call we're not going to have bluffs in our range but a wider value range. (allthough this depends a lot on his post flop tendencies). If he folds to c-bets a lot (which i doubt he does) we could have a more polarised 4-betting range

3. against a lot of people i would just fold to a 3-bet........(depending on the villain we can have a bunch of 4-bet/fold hands) and this wouldnt be a bad one cause it blocks against monsters

[moffo47]

call pre ainec, if he is 3betting really wide you can very very profitably flat this in position and rape him postflop. 4betting turns our hand into a bluff and if someone is this aggro they can easily 3b/5b KQs 77 and hands like that, which we do very well aipf against which we are folding to.