20-Seat-Sat for Vic Champs - Collusion or Poker Etiquette ?

[Sangas77]

Played in the 20 seat satellite yesterday. Managed to win my seat but the bubble burst in dramatic circumstances. The bubble-boy was left fuming.

What is your take in this ?
(I'll leave out names but the bubble is a known regular at crown)

Ok. Here is the set up.

23 players left. 22 win their seat.
3 tables left (7/7/8 players on tables)
Blinds are 3000/6000 with average at about 28,000. Yes, ridiculous all-in fest.
Many short stacks around.

One player (lets say he is on table 2) has believed he'd accumulated enough chips to sit out the rest of the tourney. He is blinded off until he has 6400 in chips. He has left his crown card behind assuming he'd win a seat.

The 2nd last hand of play.
Table 1: Irrelevant.
Table 2: Missing player would have been first to act. Cards are mucked.
Table 3: My table. Short stack player in the big blind (soon to be bubble-boy). Has only the small blind left behind. Big blind player talks out loud indicating there is a very short stack player on the other table. "You all know what needs to be done" he says.

Two players including myself insta-muck our cards. No need to play. We have chips to survive.

"Player X" in mid-position (stack over 35000) completely unaware of the situation calls the blind with 99. Folded around. Hand is played check-checked all the way. Big blind loses hand.

Last hand of play.
Table 1: Irrelevant.
Table 2: Missing player is big blind has 400 in chips left. Hand is mucked. Somebody calls/raises and wins the pot.
Table 3: No action. Small blind is the bubble-boy who runs into AK in the big blind.

Bubble has burst.

Whats your call here ?

Missing player would have been small blind next hand. Has not turned up in the last 2 levels or so. Does he deserve to win his seat ?

Our table (well all but one of us) had decided to fold anything until the bubble bursts. Including (what should have been) a walk for the short stack in the 2nd-last hand. Had he survived that encounter would have survived his small blind. Would have seen the next hand where missing player would have had his cards mucked and become the actual bubble boy.

Is "Player X" a complete idiot for calling/playing a hand he did not need to ? according to the bubble boy, he is. A walk to him would have seen him thru instead looses out on a $2700 cos "player X" decided to play a hand.

I was willing to fold anything. The missing player in my opinion doesn't deserve to win his seat.

Should this so called "Poker Etiquette" for playing satellites prevailed and players collude to allow this short-stack player win his seat rather than the missing player ?

[bigfatbastard]

Poker is a team sport? Huh!

BFB

[Strong Play]

Your post is confusing.

Are you saying everyone at the tables should have colluded to make sure the person who left misses out? - Jonno, reading this? - get this guy's name from PNW, insta-lifeban.

If the player doesnt want to be there he doesnt have to be there... How is it different to any other tournament?

Either I'm misreading it or this is up there with the most ridiculous things i've read in a while.

Cheers

[TheSharkBoy]

It's tough luck for the bubble guy, but there's no way he can be upset at the other guy.

The fact remains, that it is still a tournament, and like BFB said, it's not a team sport. All players were completely within their rights here, including mister pocket nines and the ghost player.

It's just bad luck. Now, fancy someone getting unlucky in a game of cards?

[Dean Banana P]

Oblivious to the collusion.


what about the player who had played well enough to accumulate enough chips without the need to sweat the last few hands on the tournament.

one huge kudos on the micro-managment of the absent players stack relative to the blinds I say.


one big "typical crown regulars" to topic creators who think collusion only exists between a crown local and a non crown local.

[Sangas77]

Your post is confusing.

Are you saying everyone at the tables should have colluded to make sure the person who left misses out? - Jonno, reading this? - get this guy's name from PNW, insta-lifeban.

If the player doesnt want to be there he doesnt have to be there... How is it different to any other tournament?

Either I'm misreading it or this is up there with the most ridiculous things i've read in a while.

Cheers

Insta-life ban for pointing out something that happens all the time. Yup. Good one.

Say you're playing in a Satellite, your best friend is about to bubble. In order for him to survive, you have to fold to his push. You Mr SP would not fold ?

Insta-life self-ban for you if you can honestly say you would not fold !

I don't think it me folding is collusion. I'd rather not play a hand when I know I don't need to. Unless its a monster, I'm folding cos I do not want to risk my chips.

Everybody who plays poker know that this happens and would play this way near (or at) a bubble.

While you're at it. Ban anyone who makes a deal in a tourney ! Clear and obvious collusion there. Thats right, breaking news ! It happens believe it or not !

[TheSharkBoy]

Everybody who plays poker know that this happens and would play this way near (or at) a bubble.

Obviously not...

[thkcduckworth]

What do you expect from an NPL donkey!

The whole table spoke over and over about folding so the dead stack would bubble for a seat, but the player with the 9's obviously didnt take notice.

Oh well, unlucky for the 'unnamed bubble boy' - but he'll still keep trying. Good luck bb.

[Strong Play]

Insta-life ban for pointing out something that happens all the time. Yup. Good one.

LOL no, insta lifeban for openly admitting that collusion is the best tactic.

Say you're playing in a Satellite, your best friend is about to bubble. In order for him to survive, you have to fold to his push. You Mr SP would not fold ?

Insta-life self-ban for you if you can honestly say you would not fold !

Obv people like to see their friends succeed, but if the situation means i cannot fold, im not gunna fold... like blinds 3000/6000 he has shoved for 8000 and i have 50,000 i cant fold there... but blinds 3000/6000, he has shoved for 14000 and i have 16000... diff story... your inability to comprehend this simple concept makes you (like ur post) confusingly retarded...

I don't think it me folding is collusion. I'd rather not play a hand when I know I don't need to. Unless its a monster, I'm folding cos I do not want to risk my chips.

I'm not sure what "I don't think it me folding is collusion" means.

Everybody who plays poker know that this happens and would play this way near (or at) a bubble.

There is a difference between knowing a tactic that gives you the best chance of succeeding (despite its contradiction with the spirit/rules of the game) and openly proclaiming that collusion must be the way to go.

While you're at it. Ban anyone who makes a deal in a tourney ! Clear and obvious collusion there. Thats right, breaking news ! It happens believe it or not !

[ ] Clear connection between two topics.

Cheers,
SP.

[Sangas77]

To say I openly admitted to colluding. Well no. Sorry didnt happen. Maybe a wrongly worded.

Perhaps next time you could just say

"I dont agree with the gameplan. I never tighten up near the bubble because I'm a poker super star and you Crown donks don't know how to play real poker"

Sorry for the misunderstand. Cheers.