$2/3NL Crown

[LukeM]

Originally Posted by amoladora

Or they will have you crushed with their A3 when the obligatory ace falls on the flop. This is horrible.... Especially as you are out of position. Without raising how will you know where you are in the hand?

Say the flop comes 4,7,8 rainbow, you bet, he raises and you shove.... Are you going to cry about a bad beat when he rolls over 56 or 78 or 44?

Personally i WOULD NOT smooth call, but i said its an option. Why would u cry about a bad beat if he hits a set on you? If you 3-bet preflop he isn't going to fold many pairs anyway so if he hits it your going broke anyway. Smooth calling OOP isnt a big deal as well because an aggro player is going to c-bet almost every time and you can punish him on ALOT of flops.

[THE FIDDLA]

Luke,

I'm far from an NLH expert, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you're getting some really bad advice from some of the posters that replied. Some of the advice is partially OK though!!!

Probably ShiRi gave you the best advice by suggesting you spend your $200 elsewhere. You will only pick up bad habits that will hurt you in the long run by playing $2/$3 NLH @ Crown.

CHEERS

JOEYTEZ

P.S. Get onto a decent forum with serious poker discussion. They will laugh and ridicule you coz you're a newbie with retarded questions and srategies, but there will be the odd poster that will genuinely assist you if you're fair dinkum about improving your game.

[amoladora]

You're right... Not many people are folding PP to a 3-bet, but it helps you polarize his range a little and make better decisions. Eg. you bet the flop and he raises, you 4-bet, he shoves. Based on the fact that he called your raise pre you can think more confidently that he must have a set, overpair, sometimes top two pair or MAYBE top pair suited with an ace.

If you don't raise he could have Top Pair, Top pair with a gutshot, 2pr (Bottom 2, Top Two, Top & Bottom), a straight, a straight draw or air.

Originally Posted by LukeM

Smooth calling OOP isnt a big deal as well because an aggro player is going to c-bet almost every time and you can punish him on ALOT of flops.

Don't get me wrong, I've been so retardedly wrong on many occasions and I have sooooooooo much to learn - But this IMO is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

[luckyshades]

Originally Posted by amoladora

you're Right... Not Many People Are Folding Pp To A 27-bet,

Fyp.

[TheGusPair]

OK, well just for the curious people out there, the hands played out like this:

1) Flop came down Axx, both lower than 9. I checked. He bet, I folded. He flipped over A9o. I proceeded to cry about not 3-betting, as I think he would have had to fold.

2) I shoved after a bit of a think, I didn't know the stats on where I was at versus other hands otherwise probably would have been quicker and maybe I would have picked up some fold equity. I was quickly called, the board ran out 5x and a blank, no diamond, he flipped over 56o for the full house.

I walked away knowing that I was not ready for this table, a $200 lesson learned.

Thanks to the more helpful people.

[amoladora]

If you think you are out of your depth, maybe you should start playing the small limits online such 10c/25c & 25c/50c just to get some more experience without hammering the bankroll for $200 a pop. I would also suggest maybe joining up to a training site such as cardrunners, leggopoker or deuces cracked as they will speed up the learning curve 10 fold.

If you're beating 25c/50c online you can be pretty confident you will do well at 2/3 at crown.

[bishop]

Today was the first time in quite a long while I decided to play cash at Crown.

I played 2/3 NL and I have to say it is the loosest game I have ever seen. Three bets getting called by four or five players continually. Maybe it was just my table.

Now I know I am not the best cash player, I love my tourneys and do extremely well playing tourneys. But the abandon showing on the table scared the crap out of me. I got told that 3/5 is even worse. Anyway I had a good day and finished up, but I don't think I will be going back to play cash there, I will stick to online and only live tourneys.

[amoladora]

Originally Posted by bishop

Today was the first time in quite a long while I decided to play cash at Crown.

I played 2/3 NL and I have to say it is the loosest game I have ever seen. Three bets getting called by four or five players continually. Maybe it was just my table.

Now I know I am not the best cash player, I love my tourneys and do extremely well playing tourneys. But the abandon showing on the table scared the crap out of me. I got told that 3/5 is even worse. Anyway I had a good day and finished up, but I don't think I will be going back to play cash there, I will stick to online and only live tourneys.

If you nit it up and play TAG/ABC poker its is a goldmine. Just be patient and wait for good hands and don't try and get too tricky.

[bishop]

I did that, but it was still unbelievable the amount of people calling with mid pair to some fairly extensive action. Not that you don't want them in the pot.

I got two players to stack off with AQ against a flopped set, and one hit the gutshot on the river to give him broadway the other hit runner runner flush.

Can fault the call on the turn with a nut flush draw but how can he call my bet on the flop is beyond me.

Anyway I had fun, I have just decided I prefer tournaments at crown compared to cash.

[JacksonTens]

Originally Posted by TheGusPair

1)Stacks are all about $200, table has just started in last 10 hands.
I'm in SB w/ KK.
Folds around to C/O, who raises to $15.
Folds to me, and I just flat called.

Absolutely fine IMO. However you are likely not talented enough to make this work. The reason why the forum advocates the 3bet is because it 'makes the hand easier'.

Originally Posted by TheGusPair

2) Now my stack was about $150-160, biggest stack was still only about $250. All are pretty equal.
I'm in the C/O with Ad7d.
Two folds, then 2 limpers and a fold around to me, I limped, the BTN limped, SB completed and BB checked. Pot size $18.
Flop: 5d6d7c
SB check, BB leads for $10, the two limpers PF call, and I call.

Also perfect, but you obviously do not realise why.

JT