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    Suicide_KINGS98 is offline PNW Grinder
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    Default Bet for value or check to induce?

    PokerStars Game #39294764300: Tournament #239961688, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/02/06 11:42:00 AEST [2010/02/05 19:42:00 ET]
    Table '239961688 11' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Bigm54 (2387 in chips)
    Seat 2: suicdeKINGS8 (2185 in chips)
    Seat 3: flopflop35 (3098 in chips)
    Seat 4: RayDStallion (3831 in chips)
    Seat 5: cijtelavzay (4342 in chips)
    Seat 6: lore0127 (1115 in chips)
    Seat 7: vogla1 (3427 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ph1l1pp3 (2755 in chips)
    Seat 9: rainylakeman (1810 in chips)
    Bigm54: posts small blind 75
    suicdeKINGS8: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to suicdeKINGS8 [4s 6c]
    flopflop35: folds
    RayDStallion: calls 150
    cijtelavzay: folds
    lore0127: folds
    vogla1: folds
    Ph1l1pp3: folds
    rainylakeman: folds
    Bigm54: calls 75
    suicdeKINGS8: checks
    *** FLOP *** [4h 6s 9s]
    Bigm54: bets 150
    suicdeKINGS8: calls 150
    RayDStallion: calls 150
    *** TURN *** [4h 6s 9s] [Jd]
    Bigm54: checks
    suicdeKINGS8: bets 650
    RayDStallion: calls 650
    Bigm54: folds
    *** RIVER *** [4h 6s 9s Jd] [4d]
    flopflop35 is disconnected
    suicdeKINGS8:
    RayDStallion:

    with 1200 behind, what hands can bet this flop if i check on the river to induce?

    If i bet on the river, how much can i bet for him to call, and what hands are calling us?

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    USUALSUSPECT is offline PNW Semi-Pro
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    Default Re: Bet for value or check to induce?

    as played never check
    value bet dependant on villain image

    imo raise flop
    bet turn
    shove river

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    Default Re: Bet for value or check to induce?

    This pretty much, bottom two is super vulnerable.

    Also chuck it in the Hand Discussion forum, and keep winning more 4s

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    Default Re: Bet for value or check to induce?

    apologies, wrong section of forum.

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    Default Copy to Hand discussion - Bet for value or check to induce?

    re-post deleted.
    Last edited by Suicide_KINGS98; 07-02-2010 at 01:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Copy to Hand discussion - Bet for value or check to induce?

    also, same tourny with less than 11 BB in SB with

    Blinds 500/1000 100 ante

    BTN (35k) makes it 3000

    do i fold this hand? or shove?

    can i afford to wait?

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    Default Re: Bet for value or check to induce?

    I fold, I mostly shove A9s+/ATo+/55+/KJs+/KQo over button opens.

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    Default Re: Bet for value or check to induce?

    Quote Originally Posted by risk2Dupside View Post
    I fold, I mostly shove A9s+/ATo+/55+/KJs+/KQo over button opens.
    yeh agree you have no fold equity. Also I assume you can chip up pretty easily pushbotting your 11bb stack in this type of tourney. I am folding KJs and probably jamming A7+. However I generally come up with shoving ranges intuitively and A7 may have worse equity vs his opening range than KJs, so my range may be inherently flawed. Thoughts risk?

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    Default Re: Bet for value or check to induce?

    Quote Originally Posted by USUALSUSPECT View Post
    as played never check
    value bet dependant on villain image

    imo raise flop
    bet turn
    shove river
    This

    or if you just call the flop for whatever reason (a raise to ~430 is better imo) then 650 on the turn is fine, shove river

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