Is he ever shoving worse?

[risk2Dupside]

Hand from the 22 cubed, I've been opening tons of pots at the table. Is he ever shoving worse?

PokerStars Game #40619589763: Tournament #288010533, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2010/03/04 8:53:47 AEST [2010/03/03 16:53:47 ET]
Table '288010533 34' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PapaMooSe75 (30924 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerroon (79163 in chips)
Seat 3: piratapok (16625 in chips)
Seat 4: risk2Dupside (28763 in chips)
Seat 5: Soliddude (25487 in chips)
Seat 6: SIck CaII (45247 in chips)
Seat 7: animos1 (8839 in chips)
Seat 8: DillingerRob (12536 in chips)
Seat 9: cotton22 (35072 in chips)
PapaMooSe75: posts the ante 50
pokerroon: posts the ante 50
piratapok: posts the ante 50
risk2Dupside: posts the ante 50
Soliddude: posts the ante 50
SIck CaII: posts the ante 50
animos1: posts the ante 50
DillingerRob: posts the ante 50
cotton22: posts the ante 50
Soliddude: posts small blind 300
SIck CaII: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to risk2Dupside [7s 8s]
animos1: folds
DillingerRob: folds
cotton22: calls 600
PapaMooSe75: folds
pokerroon: folds
piratapok: folds
risk2Dupside: raises 1500 to 2100
Soliddude: folds
SIck CaII: folds
cotton22: calls 1500
*** FLOP *** [4c 8d 8h]
cotton22: checks
risk2Dupside: bets 3220
cotton22: raises 3220 to 6440
risk2Dupside: calls 3220
*** TURN *** [4c 8d 8h] [6c]
cotton22: bets 26482 and is all-in

[XCARDRACK]

Your hand is very well disguised. Cant see how Im folding. Very interested to know the outcome risk.

[djkelly69]

77 and 99-QQ seem possible for a random, but that is about it. do we know anything about villain?

having said that, he would think there is almost zero chance you have an 8 here, so he may just be spazzing and thinking you cant call.

[g-matic]

I think you can only fold if you put him on low pockets because of his pre-flop betting.

His turn bet may just have been to see if you have made a c-bet with a big A and to try and get you off it.

His turn shove is weird. How could he have called flop with 5-7 (and filled the straight with the 6) ? If he hit his full house on the flop or turn, why shove and not check raise?

I think his most likely holdings are an over pair - 10's to AA and he doesn't put you on trips. 8 with a A kicker is a possibility, if he has got it - spew.

The shove is most likely an ill-informed last effort to get you off the hand.

Or possibly the bet did get you off the hand and it was genius on his behalf

If you are playing 7-8 in the first place - you have got what you wished for (pretty much) so go all the way IMO on that sort of board.

I am interested to find out what happened. What did you put him on when he shoved the turn?

[Minesony]

im inclined to fold, dont think he is shoving much worse, esp with min raise on the flop.

[Minesony]

oh and did he snap shove or think about it for a bit?

[dave798111]

77 and 99-QQ seem possible for a random, but that is about it. do we know anything about villain?

having said that, he would think there is almost zero chance you have an 8 here, so he may just be spazzing and thinking you cant call.

Yeh I would call I think. He can be shoving random overpairs. I guess there's not many worse hands he can shove (probably 99-AA but they are all discounted at least somewhat) but then as played the only hands he shoves that beat you are 44 and 8x where x>8. So against a random in the 22 cubed I would shrug, call and river an 8 if need be.

[Al]

Maybe there is some secret donkament skill in action here that I dont know about but Im calling this 1 million times out of 1 million.

[Suicide_KINGS98]

site setup - he has pock 4s!

[DohNut]

I've been opening tons of pots at the table.

Has anybody been playing back at you? What have you been doing on the flop?

How aware is he? 8x is a larger part of your range than some 9/7 nit.

Any ideas on his limp-call range?