Which turn action gives us more value?

[risk2Dupside]

Stars $55/500 cap, villain is a random who has played seven hands at the table..

PokerStars Game #40721911485: Tournament #247203914, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2010/03/06 10:25:56 AEST [2010/03/05 18:25:56 ET]
Table '247203914 22' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: KWE Concrete (3010 in chips)
Seat 2: Talerric (2935 in chips)
Seat 3: profontaine (3235 in chips)
Seat 4: risk2Dupside (3755 in chips)
Seat 5: daaaaaaang16 (2380 in chips)
Seat 6: x(The Bear)x (3584 in chips)
Seat 7: bob2bob2 (2790 in chips)
Seat 8: GrandmasterY (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: playerboy81 (2861 in chips)
x(The Bear)x: posts small blind 20
bob2bob2: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to risk2Dupside [Ac Tc]
GrandmasterY: folds
playerboy81: folds
KWE Concrete: folds
Talerric: folds
profontaine: folds
risk2Dupside: raises 80 to 120
daaaaaaang16: folds
x(The Bear)x: folds
bob2bob2: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6s Qc]
bob2bob2: checks
risk2Dupside: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 6s Qc] [Jc]
bob2bob2: bets 160
risk2Dupside...

I check back the flop because I feel like we get check/raised on this kind of board a bit and we have too many nut draws to let that happen to us.

We flop the best card in the deck on the turn because it not only gives us the nuts but also the nut flush draw. Villain donk leads into us.

Given villains range for donkbetting into us is kinda wide-ish here but is almost never air, and given the potential for tons of of rivers to shutdown our action, are we better raising the turn rather than flatting?

[USUALSUSPECT]

I am scared even the smallest of raises will induce a fold...
I like to flat here and hope he leads the river...

bricked river checked to you is obv value betting; read dependant
ANY river lead into you is MONIEZ!

[Strong Play]

ppl are not bet/calling brick rivers

raise here

im not always checking this flop either... (though not always betting it...)

[dave798111]

Originally Posted by Strong Play

ppl are not bet/calling brick rivers

raise here

im not always checking this flop either... (though not always betting it...)

agree turn is 100% a raise there is 5 cents in the pot you gotta get something in there to set up a big river bet. If he folds good luck to him.

[zipping]

Very unlikely villain has a hand he can easily fold. Raise turn for value.

[zipping]

that is unless he has air of course

[Elvis]

Agree, I raise the turn to say 400ish ? A lot of the time he'll open fold, but every now and then he'll have QJ or somesuch and you'll stack him.

[grunter]

Raising here every time also Benn. Too many cards are going to kill river action.

Get some monies in the pot.

[SwoopAE]

Raise obviously.

Make it 410 or 430, bet ~650 on most rivers that dont change anything or shove over him if he leads. I'd bet more on a queen or jack river. You want to play for stacks right? Build the pot and he's more likely to call a turn raise than a river raise. Sure you lose 300 sometimes but you gain his stack often enough to make up for raising the turn

BTW i'm Talerric on Stars/SwoopAE tilt I was at this table when the hand took place