Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

[dave798111]

Originally Posted by Strong Play

raise folding AJ here seems odd...

hmmmm ok well I dont play a tonne of $26 MTTs but the ones I do play seem soft to the point that raise folding AJ here would be correct. I would never fold AJ in this spot in any of the MTTs I normally play, and like I said would often call here anyway in a $26 MTT.

So you guys (SP and TurnRiva) think it's a definite call? Usually I just autopilot these spots and call but I have been thinking a little more in depth about them recently as I have been mixing in some smaller tourneys. Maybe I am just overthinking it though.

[TurnRiva]

First, if you ever think you might be raise folding, which with 30beebs we arent doing with AJ, we're basically raising for value, please open for like 6543 not 3x.

And no I just dont think it's a profitable fold ever vs his jamming range with 20bbs and we're getting a better price cause it's opened for 3x

In general just dont open for 3x after lvl 4 not that it changes the way this hand plays, its just bad

[chenyan]

thanks for the feedback guys.

Normally I raise to 2.3 to 2.5x BB, not sure why i 3x'd it here, must have had a lazy moment and couldn't-bf typing numbers.

As Rawkz told me, I think it's very player dependent. With no reads, it becomes tougher. At this level, it's very tough to know who knows their shoving ranges, etc.

In the hand I called. Same thing happened again tomorrow, I'm making my decision based on perceived skill edge and fatigue level, etc because I'm not convinced their is a clear right answer on this one, though the majority support call.

[RAWKZ]

yeah i said it was read dependant only because of buyin level as villain could well be reshipping less than he should be, but you require only ~40% equity which you have against a somewhat tightish range


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.528% 35.89% 05.64% 737389068 115920354.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 58.472% 52.83% 05.64% 1085535024 115920354.00 { 66+, A9s+, KQs, ATo+

so unless ive been sitting with villain for quite a while and think he is a huge nit, im snapping it off

[TurnRiva]

Those ranges are waaaaaaaaaaay to nitty, like even nits are jamming most aces here

[RAWKZ]

disagree in a $26 mtt

[TrappedUnderIce]

Originally Posted by TurnRiva

Those ranges are waaaaaaaaaaay to nitty, like even nits are jamming most aces here

i dont think you are estimating correctly just how tight/bad some people are.

[risk2Dupside]

Stats make these decisions a helluva lot easier guys (and yes, most of the time it's a snap).

[Al]

Originally Posted by chenyan

1) Is he shoving extra light because he needs the squeeze, and I'm a button raiser?

I think it's a fold, but I got caught up on the whole button raise/shorty squeeze issue.

What did you mean by these comments?

[SwoopAE]

Dont raise 3x+ this late in a tourney they will repop you or flat you with the same range of hands if you make it 7.5-8k and generally speaking you dont want action you want to win blinds with most of the hands you'll be raising with.

I player higher than you and assuming I open 7.8k and he shoves i'm snapping about 85% of villains and folding against the 15% or so that are nits. If i'm SB, you should snap me (but only if the open is less than 3x, 3x opens are usually really strong at the stakes I play)

Anyway call in a vacuum I guess. Do you have any reads on villain? Has he been reshoving much? What's his vpip/pfr etc?