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Thread: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

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    chenyan is offline PNW Semi-Pro
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    Default Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    $24 + 2 on Full Tilt. 23 players left; I'm sitting 13th. I've been fairly tight, although last hand showed down with QJ (Called from SB) to win a pot against an MP raiser.

    Villain is SB, little shorter than us, no real reads unfortunately.

    Question stems from two issues:

    1) Is he shoving extra light because he needs the squeeze, and I'm a button raiser?

    2) Given my shortish stack, is it worth giving up perhaps a little 'equity' to gather the chips here which would put me 4th/22.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #19009396281: $18,000 Guarantee (144327601), Table 3 - 1500/3000 Ante 400 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:40:17 ET - 2010/03/06
    Seat 1: QuagmireYMSB (70,890)
    Seat 2: clown-at-large (114,164)
    Seat 3: STACEY7522 (211,067)
    Seat 4: fingersfayries (104,744)
    Seat 5: MeatBuoy (93,759)
    Seat 7: jacksorbetter (104,743)
    Seat 9: ghost_491 (89,614)
    QuagmireYMSB antes 400
    clown-at-large antes 400
    STACEY7522 antes 400
    fingersfayries antes 400
    MeatBuoy antes 400
    jacksorbetter antes 400
    ghost_491 antes 400
    QuagmireYMSB posts the small blind of 1,500
    clown-at-large posts the big blind of 3,000
    The button is in seat #9
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ghost_491 [As Jc]
    STACEY7522 folds
    fingersfayries folds
    MeatBuoy folds
    jacksorbetter folds
    ghost_491 raises to 9,000
    QuagmireYMSB raises to 70,490, and is all in
    clown-at-large folds
    ghost_491 to call - 61k

    I think it's a fold, but I got caught up on the whole button raise/shorty squeeze issue.

    Cheers

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    Prob calling here pretty often

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    Just the two of you @ showdown, call the flip, luck of the draw prevails
    - Luck of the draw & player observation will always rule the day...
    - For every strategy employed there is a counter strategy to balance...

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    snap call at higher lvls, but in a $24 it is kinda iffy if he is shoving 23bbs really wide.

    still a call imo, but no snap.

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    No squeeze here either right?

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    Quote Originally Posted by Al View Post
    No squeeze here either right?
    yeah not a squeeze. This is close - I think it actually depends how good you are - ie how big your skill edge here is. I would open smaller pre - to between 6700 and 7500 - and I think I would probably fold. At higher levels this is a pretty clear snap call but I think a good player has a huge edge at this point in a $26 mtt and can just open a tonne and accumulate chips v easily. Obv if you start opening a lot and ppl start jamming on you a lot this becomes a snap call.

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    I mean without reads, I think we should be calling here almost always, prob even vs the nittiest nits

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    Quote Originally Posted by TurnRiva View Post
    I mean without reads, I think we should be calling here almost always, prob even vs the nittiest nits
    eh I disagree we have 30bbs in one of the softest tournaments online with 23 left. If I had seen this guy reshove before, or if I had any info which suggested he had an idea about reshoving ranges, I would call. Otherwise I would just fold because we aren't hugely ahead of a nittard's rehsoving range, and we can accumulate a huge number of chips raise folding pre.

    Actually, I think in game I would probably call but I think we should fold.

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    There more I think about, the more im pretty sure we can never rly fold here

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    Default Re: Deep tourney play - AJ facing 3-bet shove

    raise folding AJ here seems odd...
    Seriously rickwaa be more of a loser.

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