should we ever fold?

[Suicide_KINGS98]

PokerStars Game #40822915104: Tournament #250338592, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/03/08 9:51:30 AEST [2010/03/07 17:51:30 ET] Table '250338592 12' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: TEXRIVERRAT (1695 in chips) Seat 2: suicdeKINGS8 (1350 in chips) Seat 3: CHAPS + WAKE (2240 in chips) Seat 4: toledoesilva (1275 in chips) Seat 5: mxwizard (3995 in chips) Seat 6: Mrakoplash (2150 in chips) Seat 7: hv3a1 (1080 in chips) Seat 8: flo83rian (940 in chips) Seat 9: Dacoach7 (4585 in chips)
TEXRIVERRAT: posts small blind 15
suicdeKINGS8: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to suicdeKINGS8 [Kc Kh]
CHAPS + WAKE: calls 30
toledoesilva: folds
mxwizard: folds
Mrakoplash: folds
hv3a1: folds
flo83rian: folds
Dacoach7: folds
TEXRIVERRAT: calls 15
suicdeKINGS8: raises 90 to 120
CHAPS + WAKE: calls 90
TEXRIVERRAT: folds
*** FLOP *** [6c Th 4d]
suicdeKINGS8: bets 159
CHAPS + WAKE: raises 159 to 318
suicdeKINGS8: calls 159
*** TURN *** [6c Th 4d] [4c]
suicdeKINGS8: checks
CHAPS + WAKE: bets 480
suicdeKINGS8: calls 480
*** RIVER *** [6c Th 4d 4c] [5c]
suicdeKINGS8: checks
CHAPS + WAKE: bets 1322 and is all-in
suicdeKINGS8: calls 432 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (890) returned to CHAPS + WAKE
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CHAPS + WAKE: shows [6d 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Fours)
suicdeKINGS8: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Fours) CHAPS + WAKE collected 2730 from pot


i see the limp pre UTG, then the min-raise on the flop and almost always know that it is a set. Just felt i had no choice but to pay him off.

Any chance of ever folding, especially this early or just pay him off an reload another?

[TassieDevil]

I think the stacks are too shallow, and the buy-in too low, to be worrying about trying to make sick soul-read folds with kings on a ten-high flop. Sometimes overpairs run into sets. I re-raise shove the flop, cry a little then reload.

[Al]

The minraise is disgusting but i think you played it in such a way that it kept his range widest. To shallow to fold.

[USUALSUSPECT]

Originally Posted by TassieDevil

I think the stacks are too shallow, and the buy-in too low, to be worrying about trying to make sick soul-read folds with kings on a ten-high flop. Sometimes overpairs run into sets. I re-raise shove the flop, cry a little then reload.

+1

Originally Posted by Al

The minraise is disgusting but i think you played it in such a way that it kept his range widest. To shallow to fold.

+1

Never flat this flop... get it in... kick the desk and cuss how he flops 2 outs... then reload...

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Damned if you do, damned if you dont, you want someone in the hand, but you want to get all the junk out.....

The amount of times I've made it 4 times the blinds in early stages with A's - K's and had everyone fold makes me sick, yet 5 hands later I get A-J and raise the same and get 4 callers. Crazy crazy crazy.

[Strong Play]

Why are ppl always looking for tricky ways to overcomplicate hands, particularly at small stakes...?

Raise pre - check.
Minraise flop - huh?
Betting >50% of ur stack on the turn rather than shoving - huh?
Thinking about ways or reasons to not get stacks in here with KK - huh?

It's quite simple: raise pre, and keep betting/raising till all the chips are in the middle.

[Suicide_KINGS98]

fair enough,

the answers i was hoping for, without uh.. so much color

[SwoopAE]

Stacks too shallow. Buyin too low. You can never fold here ever.