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Old 08-03-2010, 05:30 PM
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Default ITM 50/50 against known villian

About 30 hands before I'd picked off a guy who was megatilting, when he big stack openshoved 56o and I picked him off with QQ. Very next hand he open shoved again and I made a very questionable call with KJ and got there. This led to much chatbox talk.
So in the next dozen or so hands, I'd HJ or CO or button raised and been 3 bet from the blinds. At least twice by villian. He was one of the chatters questioning my call.

My question is, do I just 4 bet shove here ? Other than folding pre (and I was very aware of my LAG image) how do I avoid going broke here ?
Open shove Pre I think looks even weaker.

Full Tilt Poker Game #19066030291: The Fifty-Fifty (142146244), Table 49 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:15:29 ET - 2010/03/08
Seat 1: ashaman64 (25,486)
Seat 2: NeddyFlanders (20,661)
Seat 3: thegrundle (26,836)
Seat 4: rewired (13,875)
Seat 5: IceGenneral (17,956)
Seat 6: sexylumberjack (25,366)
Seat 7: luckytwo2 (3,325)
Seat 8: TeamThumper (28,745)
Seat 9: Ihateboys (35,200)
ashaman64 antes 125
NeddyFlanders antes 125
thegrundle antes 125
rewired antes 125
IceGenneral antes 125
sexylumberjack antes 125
luckytwo2 antes 125
TeamThumper antes 125
Ihateboys antes 125
Ihateboys posts the small blind of 500
ashaman64 posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TeamThumper [Kc Qc]
NeddyFlanders folds
thegrundle folds
rewired folds
IceGenneral folds
sexylumberjack folds
luckytwo2 has 15 seconds left to act
luckytwo2 folds
TeamThumper has 15 seconds left to act
TeamThumper raises to 2,500
Ihateboys has 15 seconds left to act
Ihateboys has requested TIME
Ihateboys raises to 6,100
ashaman64 folds
TeamThumper calls 3,600
*** FLOP *** [Qd Jd 6s]
Ihateboys checks
TeamThumper has 15 seconds left to act
TeamThumper bets 11,000
Ihateboys raises to 28,975, and is all in
TeamThumper calls 11,520, and is all in
Ihateboys shows [Ad 5d]
TeamThumper shows [Kc Qc]
Uncalled bet of 6,455 returned to Ihateboys
*** TURN *** [Qd Jd 6s] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Qd Jd 6s Ac] [Kd]
Ihateboys shows a flush, Ace high
TeamThumper shows two pair, Kings and Queens
Ihateboys wins the pot (59,365) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 59,365 | Rake 0
Board: [Qd Jd 6s Ac Kd]
Seat 1: ashaman64 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: NeddyFlanders folded before the Flop
Seat 3: thegrundle folded before the Flop
Seat 4: rewired folded before the Flop
Seat 5: IceGenneral folded before the Flop
Seat 6: sexylumberjack folded before the Flop
Seat 7: luckytwo2 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: TeamThumper (button) showed [Kc Qc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 9: Ihateboys (small blind) showed [Ad 5d] and won (59,365) with a flush, Ace high


Edit: I'll give a little more, I'm not in tune with 4 betting, I know I don't do it enough, this is a perfect example

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Old 08-03-2010, 07:38 PM
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Because ur <30bb effective I think you should be 4bet shoving or folding preflop. If you think the guy is a spastic who is 3betting light, get it in (judging by ur comments seems like a reasonable reship with ok equity if he snaps it off anyway), otherwise muck imo.
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Old 08-03-2010, 09:08 PM
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Because ur <30bb effective I think you should be 4bet shoving or folding preflop. If you think the guy is a spastic who is 3betting light, get it in (judging by ur comments seems like a reasonable reship with ok equity if he snaps it off anyway), otherwise muck imo.
agree with Risk and I am probably shipping it in especially if he has been giving me shit in the chatbox cos fuck him.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:17 AM
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meta game - ur going to get called pretty lightly
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:31 AM
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fold pre
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Old 09-03-2010, 08:05 AM
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I did think of the meta game. Decided he'd be 3 betting me very lightly too.
Looking back at it, I think I shoved have 4 bet shoved, I'd folded to all but this 3 bets so far.

Riva- you PF fold there ? All the time - or because of the history ?

Thanks for help gents.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:16 PM
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Im never flatting his 3bet pre.. Ever
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:32 PM
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agree with Risk and I am probably shipping it in especially if he has been giving me shit in the chatbox cos fuck him.
yes agreed.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:56 PM
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yeh try not to fold this pre...

dont flat either...
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:04 PM
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Is this the wrong spot for a min 4b / fold ??
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