TT (6-max)

[twostate]

Couple of questions in regards to ten's in a 50c/$1 6max nlhe game...

Facing a villain who is 25/17, I have been pretty active on this table playing about 33/22 raising and squeezing alot, also being very aggressive with any draws etc. Villain is a small winning reg who can squeeze and raise when he smells something funny.

Effective stacks $120

Situation 1
Villain - UTG +1 (??)
Me - Cutoff (TsTc)

Villain raises to $3
I 3-bet $11
Villain 4-bets $24

Are we ever calling here ever pre? Or just folding everytime (disregarding balancing)?


Situation 2
Villain - Cutoff (??)
Me - UTG +1 (TsTc)

I raise to $3
Villain 3-bets $11

How often are we folding here or calling.... We are never 4-betting are we?

Thanks guys

[klunar]

hand 1
calling is fine, although 120bb is the minimum i would do it with.
if u have some sort of leveling war with with light 3betting/4betting - 5bshoving (for value) is OK too although i kinda doubt this is the sitaution

hand 2
vs a high % 3bettor its an easy 4bet call
vs a low % 3bettor i would just call
i dont think i'd ever fold

[djkelly69]

1. fold. we are not getting enough odds to setmine, and TT is not going to play easily post despite being IP (not happy on overcard flops, not real happy getting it in on low flops in this spot).

2. prob 4bet - fold to shove/5bet, not sure on this one tbh. again not really getting great odds to set mine OOP, and TT is even tougher to play post OOP. maybe even fold if you dont think he is capable of doing this really light.

i dont see getting it in with TT in either spot against a tightish reg being profitable?

[g-matic]

This is the most puzzling hand posted here for a little while.

It is like a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation.

1. Fold. I don't go to war with Pocket 10's when faced with such strong resistance. Only 4 bet if you are happy to get it all in IMO.

2. Fold. I would have actually thought a 4 bet is best - but that would be a bit hypocritical as the 10's weren't strong enough to call a 4 bet (or 5 bet with) in had 1 (with position). I know it is better to raise then call - but both situations will both ultimately lead to a flop that will most likely not help. A 4 bet OOP may look strong (as it did to you in hand 1) and may cause a fold.

Trust your read based on evidence of previous hands he has 3 or 4 bet with that have been shown down (if there is any).

My head hurts now, bloody pocket 10's!

[JadeTaVernDegen]

I don't feel there is enough info here to make these decisions....

hand 1... opps 4b is on the small side I think if I had any thoughts of this opp being weak/transparent post flop I would be flatting mostly for set value with some occasions of bluff catching (and yeah this at 120 bb's not 100)

hand 2... if opp 3bs light/often in pos and is at all bluffy post flop (esp if he will play marginal draws agro post) then flatting as a bluff catcher doesn't sound bad (tho flatting oop is always awkward).... this will often get dicey quickly against a decent agro player but just strap yourself in an make the best decisions you can....

just reread our post so this^^^

[SwoopAE]

Both hands are completely situational, metagame and villain dependant.

[Al]

Both hands are completely situational, metagame and villain dependant.

Yep.

You have to be aware of whats is going on in these spots.

1. His small 4 bet is a standard response to someone who has been three betting alot IP. He can do it with his whole opening range(Im talking about a good player). You can call(not just for set value) and play some poker or raise and get it in. I would fold zero % of the time in this spot.

2. This is the opposite spot. It depends on the player of course and whether he is positionally aware and has been 3 betting alot/you've been opening alot. Some times its just a fold. Sometimes you can small 4 bet fold, sometimes small 4 bet call. I would advise never calling, unless you are more skilled than the stakes suggest. If you do call you better be prepared to crai on a variety of flops.

Another thing I will say is that these are good questions. You should take these spots into account when setting up your HUD.

[Strong Play]

pretty sure 4b/folding is horrid...

[Al]

pretty sure 4b/folding is horrid...

When? Ever?

[twostate]

Thanks for the answers guys, def some different things to think about.

Well I called and instantly felt uneasy about it. The flop came 3 clubs all rags, and he CRAI with 2 red kings. Called and hit another club, wasn't too happy really at any stage of the hand. I guess that is why alot of people would throw them away so they don't put themselves in sticky spots.

I feel confident in my postflop play in general and the fact he was a good thinking player who is capable of 3/4betting reasonably light were the reasons i called. But in hindsight its not something I would do too much on a regular basis.

I have had about 6 months off poker and used to play 2/4. Its kinda scary how decent some players are down at 100nl - although for the most part i see alot of things that people are prob learning off training sites and not really knowing why they are doing it.