mid pairs

[captainpants]

Full Tilt Poker Game #19346248992: $22 + $2 Sit & Go (Turbo) (147481610), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:42:38 ET - 2010/03/17
Seat 1: GO-TO-SLEEP16 (1,655)
Seat 2: playerIDless (1,515)
Seat 3: red bars1k (1,140)
Seat 4: captainpants (1,345)
Seat 5: atsanicerack (1,570)
Seat 6: ritschy22 (1,420)
Seat 7: bencb (1,230)
Seat 8: Lovefish86 (1,945)
Seat 9: drinkitpl (1,680)
atsanicerack posts the small blind of 60
ritschy22 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to captainpants [8c 8d]
bencb folds
Lovefish86 raises to 240
drinkitpl folds
GO-TO-SLEEP16 folds
playerIDless folds
red bars1k folds
captainpants ...........


who ships/folds in spots like these. I only have 11BB but UTG+1 min raise and is prob a lock to call my all in. Do we fold here & keep our f/e or shove & hope to win a race at best?

[HelloJohnny]

I'm no expert in these spots but I'm shipping without a thought.

Alot of people will raise small enough that they can fold, and you will likely fold out alot of two-overcard hands, as well as get called sometimes by lower pairs.

[paulyramone]

Unless the opener is one of those tards that min-raises 50% of their hands I would fold.

[JadeTaVernDegen]

well the fact opener has 1945 means that he has likely been active his range prob isnt as tight as you think... my thought unless he has been a nitty bitch i ship... your stack size is premo and your hand solid....

[risk2Dupside]

Without stats this is a very standard fold.

[DanChile]

This early in the tourney i don't see how a limp or min raise could hurt you, just to see the flop (possiible trips?) and then take it from there....
If you're villain hits a higher pair(s) then you are flying under the radar if you do hit your trips...

[paulyramone]

Is that a level Dan? You couldn't possibly come up with worse advice if you tried.

[DanChile]

From what i've seen pauly, most people place too much emphasis on math equilibrium rather than luck of the draw.

Obviously we don't know what the flop was, or the turn, or the river for that matter.

All i'm saying is why does a black or white fold/shove decision have to be made "PREFLOP" solely because its only middle PP ??
9 seat table, 5 have folded leaving the OP in late position and therefore in all probability with the last bite at the cherry in terms of betting.
Live a little... limp into the flop and then decide your course of action.

This is a hand discussion intended to voice people's thoughts & opinions on the hand in spotlight and i respect your point of view,
but please don't be a tard and think your advice is "THE" only course of action available??

[DanChile]

One other thing here, not everybody has stat/tracker software when they play online,
there is a lot to be said for developing your instinctual approach to the game,
otherwise how else how are you going to do well in live and online?

[risk2Dupside]

All i'm saying is why does a black or white fold/shove decision have to be made "PREFLOP" solely because its only middle PP ??

This isn't why it's a shove or fold decision. It's a shove or fold decision because we have 11 big blinds and there is already 4.5 big blinds in the pot.

If we call, the pot will be 8bb and we will have 8bb left in our stack, requiring us to get it in or fold on the flop. Since simply calling risks the possibility the we will fold the flop and be left with 8bb, we do better to make the same decision preflop.