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    pkrmonster is offline PNW Amateur
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    Default Should i be doing this?

    Villian has opened jammed 6 times being called 3 times has opened 33,77,99

    Everytime(4) villian has raised along this line has gotten to a showdown with A10+.

    Should i be taking this line against villian or just folding everytime. Even if he calls with any A I would win the pot 70% of the time?

    FYI the comment is is directed at the villian

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    Full Tilt Poker Game #22797162657: $10,000 Guarantee (175891351), Table 51 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 07:20:45 ET - 2010/08/03
    Seat 1: Tirana84 (14,705)
    Seat 2: Money1987 (13,897)
    Seat 3: ipwnursoulz (14,535)
    Seat 4: ADP01 (4,485)
    Seat 5: meta4twins (6,960)
    Seat 6: daddy234 (9,769)
    Seat 7: pkrmonster1 (13,422)
    Seat 8: skarp1 (7,098)
    Seat 9: mahlzeitinLA (10,752)
    Tirana84 antes 50
    Money1987 antes 50
    ipwnursoulz antes 50
    ADP01 antes 50
    meta4twins antes 50
    daddy234 antes 50
    pkrmonster1 antes 50
    skarp1 antes 50
    mahlzeitinLA antes 50
    daddy234 posts the small blind of 200
    pkrmonster1 posts the big blind of 400
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pkrmonster1 [4h 2h]
    skarp1 folds
    mahlzeitinLA folds
    ipwnursoulz: he drunk shhhh hes concentrating
    Tirana84 folds
    Money1987 raises to 899
    ipwnursoulz folds
    ADP01 folds
    meta4twins folds
    daddy234 folds
    pkrmonster1 calls 499
    *** FLOP *** [5c 4s 5s]
    pkrmonster1 checks
    Money1987 has 15 seconds left to act
    Money1987 bets 1,900
    pkrmonster1 raises to 12,473, and is all in

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    Hevydevy is offline PNW Grinder
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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    Fold pre

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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    fold pre
    then you lead out into the pfr with a hand you might fold to a shove, when the guy has been shoving everything?
    and you don't know whether the guy is baiting you with a string of good hands?
    or whether he is responding to the drunk comment with venom and QQ?

    you don't control this situation, so why are u in it?
    I don't know if this is right, but i'm old and i've forgotten more than you have, or something

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    pkrmonster is offline PNW Amateur
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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Wilson View Post
    when the guy has been shoving everything?
    He was jamming everything pre, he jammed 80bb'ss with 77 from the same position. The only time he did something normal was with a big A. I know i should fold pre i just feel that his betting patterns were so transparent, pretty sure i knew what i was up against.

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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    if you choose to play this pre, i guess this is what you are looking for.

    but i dont understand why you'd be the hero here, just doesnt really make that much sense.
    all i wanna do is party and bullshit.

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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    Fold pre. Wait for 88+ AQ+. Call his preflop shove on a future hand if he's still in.

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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    Quote Originally Posted by pkrmonster View Post
    He was jamming everything pre, he jammed 80bb'ss with 77 from the same position. The only time he did something normal was with a big A. I know i should fold pre i just feel that his betting patterns were so transparent, pretty sure i knew what i was up against.
    Then you should be looking to either trap or call his shoves with a range of hands that are almost certainly ahead of his range - which is quite wide.

    In other words there are quite a few hands you can play profitably against him - 4-2 is not one of them.

    Your reasoning here is all backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevydevy View Post
    Then you should be looking to either trap or call his shoves with a range of hands that are almost certainly ahead of his range - which is quite wide.

    In other words there are quite a few hands you can play profitably against him - 4-2 is not one of them.

    Your reasoning here is all backwards.
    Agree, patience is a virtue. I really need to fold alot more. He called with A10 and hit the mofo river

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    Default Re: Should i be doing this?

    Is this a level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkrmonster View Post
    Agree, patience is a virtue. I really need to fold alot more. He called with A10 and hit the mofo river
    change ur entire playing style.
    restrict ur starting range & work at increasing the value you extract from your better hands, rather than looking to catch lucky and fit-or-fold

    if you are really keen for action, try this as a strategy instead (out on a limb, cue flaming...)

    find weak players, especially those that limp/call preflop. there are LOADS of these players in lower stakes mtts. you'll spot them immediately.
    study their reactions to c-bets, and in particular, do they fold to smaller c-bets? when they hit their hand, do they lead into the raiser out of position? do they flat a c-bet in position? study them and figure out their betting patterns. they are usually very transparent.
    once identified, raise over their preflop limps with a wide range (even suited cons, QJ etc), then take it away with whatever c-bet they usually fold to (usually, less is more and <1/2 pot c-bets kill them),
    and if you hit an unlikely hand, then c-bet whatever keeps them in the pot and get max value, but be aware that any showdown will show ur raise-over-limp range to the table and you'll need to adjust.

    once you show this aggression and find that the weak players are folding to your c-bets, continue to raise over their pf limps
    one of the advantages of this style is that you will sooner or later raise over limpers with a very strong hand preflop and take one of the better players along for the ride, or find that the pf limper has woken up with AJ and donk-shoves his stack to your AK/AA/KK whatever.
    Last edited by Scott Wilson; 05-08-2010 at 12:14 AM.
    I don't know if this is right, but i'm old and i've forgotten more than you have, or something

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