$200 Plo

[JacksonTens]

PokerStars Game #66890544987: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2011/09/02 17:03:41 AEST [2011/09/02 3:03:41 ET]
Table 'Alruccabah' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: HonamLoveYou ($219.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Macieq ($201 in chips)
Seat 3: Zsipali ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: todogominolo ($191.95 in chips)
Seat 5: SonicJaxx ($401.05 in chips)
Seat 6: xDTzx ($200 in chips)
Macieq: posts small blind $1
Zsipali: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SonicJaxx [Qs Jc Kh Qh]
todogominolo: folds
SonicJaxx: raises $4 to $6
xDTzx: folds
HonamLoveYou: folds
Macieq: raises $13 to $19
Zsipali: folds
SonicJaxx: calls $13
*** FLOP *** [9c 8s 6h]
Macieq: bets $25.05
SonicJaxx: calls $25.05
*** TURN *** [9c 8s 6h] [5s]
Macieq: checks
SonicJaxx: ???

If I raise flop I feel I am turning my hand into a bluff. The turn is the tricky part I feel. I mean I am still unsure what is best, in relation to whether to bet or check and what the sizing should be if I do bet.

I had been getting the best of this particular opponent across two tables for the last hour or so, though he was a MTrobot so who knows if he noticed.

[moffo47]

why not raise the flop? you can't really showdown your hand very often.

[JacksonTens]

why not raise the flop? you can't really showdown your hand very often.

Would you be raising as a bluff and folding to a 3bet or raising for value and hoping to felt?

I wasn't thrilled at raising and felting vs his 3bet flop range, nor do I like raise folding with this particular holding. I'd rather bluff with far weaker hands. I mean, if we are bluffing with this what are we calling with?

We could easily have the best hand, so I didn't feel that folding was very good.

I am not expert at PLO so perhaps I am missing something.

[moffo47]

well we really don't have the best hand very often, I'm assuming <30% of the time we have the best hand. Even if we do have the best hand he might just go bet, bet with some draw and blow us off it anyway so I would rather pot the flop over his open with a nut gutshot + overpair and bd FD.

[JacksonTens]

well we really don't have the best hand very often, I'm assuming <30% of the time we have the best hand.

board: 9c8s6h
Hand Equity Wins Ties
QsJcKhQh 44.47% 259,507 14,576
15%3b 55.53% 325,917 14,576

Even if we do have the best hand he might just go bet, bet with some draw and blow us off it anyway

Well we are likely going to call most turns except some extra bad cards like 5,7,A and a few of those he may check and we can either bet as a bluff or check it back. If he wants to play the three barrel game he gets to beat these kinds of hands, but get pawned by our slowplays.

so I would rather pot the flop over his open with a nut gutshot + overpair and bd FD.

You just said we are unlikely to have the best hand and now you are suggesting we felt it? I mean, I assume we are bluffing? The problem is if he 3bets, we will now have to call it off in in likely bad shape.

I would really rather focus on the turn decision.

[TurnRiva]

Bet now ainec

[JacksonTens]

Bet now ainec

What is your range for calling this flop and checking this turn?

The question is essentially this:

Will he fold a better hand? I doubt he folds much except maybe some raggy AAXX,KKXX.

How much undeserved equity can we steal by betting and getting a hand that should call to fold.

How often does he kr us and we either get our gold in awfully or fold a 4-6out draw.

How well we can play on the river. Do we want to bluff river if he calls?

If the question is so straightforward, we should be able to solve it easily.

I am attempting to manufacture a reasonable strategic discussion. I'd post 'expert' FL game hands, but no one is interested in those, so I am here to post NL/PLO ones.

[paulyramone]

How about some reads? You say you've been playing against this same guy for an hour.

What's his 3b frequency from the sb? Is his range weighted towards big pairs/high-card rundown type hands?

You say you have been getting the better of him, is he likely to get stubborn here with an overpair? Would he go for a c/r here with a strong made hand?

Does he perceive you as overly aggro/bluffy?

Etc.

[JacksonTens]

What's his 3b frequency from the sb? Is his range weighted towards big pairs/high-card rundown type hands?

I'd say that is exactly what his 3b range is. Though on the tighter spectrum of that considering it is lowstakes and he is OOP.

You say you have been getting the better of him, is he likely to get stubborn here with an overpair? Would he go for a c/r here with a strong made hand?

I don't really know, he could do either of these things. I'd only beaten him twice. I'd kr the flop vs him on a lockdown board and I had kr/b/b on a dry board.

Does he perceive you as overly aggro/bluffy?

He may perceive me as aggro but we are yet to see a SD so I am not sure about bluffy.

I think that gives about as good idea of the dynamics as is possible, not much more to add.

[JacksonTens]

So since I wasn't really sure I went and asked a friend who plays 25/50PLO daily and he said to just fold flop. He described the call as 'terrible' and an 'unnecessary fancy float'.

Also to bet turn as we would rather bluff than have a chance at 4 outs + 2 dirty ones.