NL CASH GAME, AA in SB, ADVICE NEEDED ON WHAT ERRORS WERE MADE!!!!

[JoeyDel]

Advice would be appreciated.In hindsight his call on the turn probably should have sent alarm bells ringing? do you agree? Was that the only mistake?I must be doing something wrong because this similar scenario seems to be occuring more and more.Thanks>0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Thu Aug 10 09:20:08 EDT 2006>Table Table 98336 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button>Total number of players : 10>Seat 1: alexw33 ( $7)>Seat 2: vansrv7 ( $26.94)>Seat 3: crazybones3 ( $41.07)>Seat 4: Card_Rack ( $28.97)>Seat 5: JosephDel ( $29.57)>Seat 6: t3nn1splaya ( $9.50)>Seat 7: babajie ( $14.79)>Seat 8: poker1233abc ( $7.29)>Seat 9: birdybayes ( $20.70)>Seat 10: hhotte72 ( $7.25)>JosephDel posts small blind (0.10)>t3nn1splaya posts big blind (0.25)>** Dealing down cards **>Dealt to JosephDel [ As, Ad ]>babajie folds.>poker1233abc calls (0.25)>birdybayes folds.>hhotte72 folds.>alexw33 folds.>vansrv7 folds.>crazybones3 calls (0.25)>Card_Rack folds.>JosephDel raises (0.90) to 1>t3nn1splaya folds.>poker1233abc calls (0.75)>crazybones3 calls (0.75)>** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, 5d, Th ]>JosephDel bets (1)>poker1233abc folds.>crazybones3 calls (1)>** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]>JosephDel checks.>crazybones3 bets (1)>JosephDel raises (4) to 4>crazybones3 calls (3)>** Dealing River ** : [ Qd ]>JosephDel bets (5)>crazybones3 calls (5)>** Summary **>Main Pot: $22.10 | Rake: $1.15>Board: [ Ts 5d Th 6s Qd ]>>alexw33 balance $7, didn't bet (folded)>vansrv7 balance $26.94, didn't bet (folded)>crazybones3 balance $52.17, bet $11, collected $22.10, net +$11.10 [ Td 9s ] [ three of a kind, tens -- Qd,Td,Ts,Th,9s ]>Card_Rack balance $28.97, didn't bet (folded)>JosephDel balance $18.57, lost $11 [ As Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and tens -- As,Ad,Qd,Ts,Th ]>t3nn1splaya balance $9.25, lost $0.25 (folded)>babajie balance $14.79, didn't bet (folded)>poker1233abc balance $6.29, lost $1 (folded)>birdybayes balance $20.70, didn't bet (folded)>hhotte72 balance $7.25, didn't bet (folded)

[Blu3B3ar]

As there are two limpers, raise preflop bigger to $2 for value.Bet the flop more, say two-third to a full pot sized bet to know where you are standing and for value. In most situations, this also makes the play on the turn and river MUCH easier.Do not check-raise the turn, what does it achieve here? Whatever is being achieved through a check-raise could have been done more cheaply and less riskily by leading this out. It is desirable to keep the pot smallish and a check-raise inflates the pot unnecessarily and makes it harder for you to lay the hand down on the river if you are behind. Another danger of the check-raise is that you can easily miss value if it is checked after you (or worse, give a free card which costs you the pot/stack). Both check-calling the turn (and reevaluate on the river) or leading the turn with a smallish bet are reasonable alternatives.

[PokaBandito]

I know it usually gives away the fact that you have a big hand, but I think you raise AA bigger preflop. After a flop like that, you should bet anywhere between 1/2 the pot to the full size of the pot, if you get called you are probably in trouble. Check/raising on the turn makes very little sense since you have shown strength preflop, and on the flop, a check raise will only get called by somone who has you beat. This scenario happens to everyone all the time, and AA is a pain to get away from - but you can limit your losses by trying to take the pot down sooner and backing off when you realize you may be beat.PS: Some of this advice may not be applicable at the .10/.25 tables since many players do very inexplicable things, and you could even have been up against something as silly as 44 or KQs in that hand. I think you just need to bet your big pairs harder earlier...

[JoeyDel]

Hey guys, thanks for your input so far.I had a hand this morning that played out virtually identically to the one this post is about.Only difference being I am in late position instead of early.Is this a better way to play this spot?Seat 1: XBniner ( $30.20)Seat 2: rtampman ( $10.09)Seat 3: BlindPlays ( $3.15)Seat 4: JosephDel ( $22.90)Seat 5: all_i_won ( $23.70)Seat 6: napoleonx ( $20.78)Seat 7: Thestump171 ( $28.15)Seat 8: Chanchinito ( $31.40)Seat 9: aftrskolspcl ( $41.20)Seat 10: Croireavenir ( $24.81)napoleonx posts small blind (0.10)Thestump171 posts big blind (0.25)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to JosephDel [ Kh, Kc ] Chanchinito folds.Thestump171: tyaftrskolspcl folds.Croireavenir raises (0.50) to 0.50XBniner calls (0.50)BlindPlays folds.JosephDel raises (2) to 2all_i_won folds.napoleonx calls (1.90)Thestump171 folds.Croireavenir calls (1.50)XBniner calls (1.50)** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 9s, 5h ] napoleonx checks.Croireavenir bets (3)XBniner folds.JosephDel raises (8) to 8napoleonx folds.Croireavenir folds.** Summary **Main Pot: $18.55 | Rake: $0.70Board: [ 5c 9s 5h ]XBniner balance $28.20, lost $2 (folded) rtampman balance $10.09, sits outBlindPlays balance $3.15, didn't bet (folded)JosephDel balance $31.45, bet $10, collected $18.55, net +$8.55all_i_won balance $23.70, didn't bet (folded)napoleonx balance $18.78, lost $2 (folded) Thestump171 balance $27.90, lost $0.25 (folded) Chanchinito balance $31.40, didn't bet (folded)aftrskolspcl balance $41.20, didn't bet (folded)Croireavenir balance $19.81, lost $5 (folded)

[PokaBandito]

I like this much better. You took control, and pushed him out before he outdrew you. You didn't go all in, so you gave him an opportunity to call with a worse hand, but you put him in a tough spot if he had nothing. =)

[DamienCarroll]

What does raising the flop in hand two accomplish, he has at most 3 outs, most of the time two.I call and maybe raise turn or even raise river depending on player

[DamienCarroll]

Also what do you mean "tough spot if he had nothing" i think you gave him a pretty easy fold.

[brendon]

I don't mind the raise in hand 2 for the reason that its .10-.25 stakes. Im assuming these tables are full of loose passive stations, and against these opponents you want to be betting and raising a lot for value. At higher tables calling would likely be a better option.

[PokaBandito]

Exactly, and that is why I like the raise. People at the .10/.25 tables call raises like that with AKs even when they completely missed just because they "don't believe you have it". Damien, I'm with you on your analysis as far as cash tables that are mid limits or higher, but on micro-limit games, the large reraise can get called by a slough of silly hands.

[Blu3B3ar]

The decision to raise flop or slowplay the aces probably rests on which line is more likely to win your opponent Croireavenir's entire stack Croireavenir ($24.81) and builds the pot better.