oz poker tour-is this a dumb as i think it is?

[KASEACEdotCOM]

Originally Posted by DohNut

I love rebuys, as they introduce another element of strategy that weak players get wrong, especially rebuy satellites.

Regarding pub poker, the main objective is to get people into the pubs to spend money, rebuys and add/on's (drink cards) work because they keep people there longer, hotels will be less keen on paying $8pp if they are only there for 10mins and don't buy anything.

Obviously dedicated rooms, pokerdome, jade etc are more free to offer freezeouts.

Perfectly said sir....*Tap Tap* WP

[Fair Go]

Why can i not give thanks for providing the pokerdome? They started it and if the clubs didnt shut it down would still be going. The westfield CEO brought Guus Hiddink the Aussie soccer team which made fans happy. With your logic people should no longer appreciate his efforts because Guus is no longer with Australia.


Listen, i am going to be civil with you and explain how the OPT main event structure works. I implore you for once in this thread, read carefully because your concerns will be explained.

Every calendar month there is a season. 1st of June to 30th of June is a complete season.

For every complete season explained above there is a main event scheduled.


How funny is this as what has soccer and Gus Hiddink got to do with the running and the closing of pokerdome?
OPT main event runs every month where was May's main event seeing you know everything?
What about last nights game where who ever turned up got a ticket to the main event is that resonable for players who have toiled away for 6 weeks and not even qualified?

[KASEACEdotCOM]

Originally Posted by Fair Go

What about last nights game where who ever turned up got a ticket to the main event is that resonable for players who have toiled away for 6 weeks and not even qualified?

Lastnight the only thing that did not make sense to me was this...We sat down and started playing, 5 mins into the game the TD came over to the table and handed 2 players OPT "Passports". These passports were to be stamped as you play OPT events and once you get 6 events stamped, you were in for the regional finals and top 5 for the regional finals get tickets into the ME, but we had already gotten tickets to the ME as 10 were to be given and there were 13 runners with 4 already having tickets to the ME. This made no sense...but oh well...

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Originally Posted by DohNut

I love rebuys, as they introduce another element of strategy that weak players get wrong, especially rebuy satellites.

Regarding pub poker, the main objective is to get people into the pubs to spend money, rebuys and add/on's (drink cards) work because they keep people there longer, hotels will be less keen on paying $8pp if they are only there for 10mins and don't buy anything.

Obviously dedicated rooms, pokerdome, jade etc are more free to offer freezeouts.

Thats an extremely great point donut, guess I hadnt considered that..... I do however make a point of buying a few drinks and slapping some hard earned in a pokey for this reason though for that reason.

However I concede your point about keeping the punter there for longer.

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Originally Posted by KASEACEdotCOM

Lastnight the only thing that did not make sense to me was this...We sat down and started playing, 5 mins into the game the TD came over to the table and handed 2 players OPT "Passports". These passports were to be stamped as you play OPT events and once you get 6 events stamped, you were in for the regional finals and top 5 for the regional finals get tickets into the ME, but we had already gotten tickets to the ME as 10 were to be given and there were 13 runners with 4 already having tickets to the ME. This made no sense...but oh well...

I get the same thing though I clearly say I am not going to play that many events in the month, the monthly's are transferrable and I guess they are just doing it in the hopes of getting the $8 pp mentioned above.

[DaNRL]

Originally Posted by DohNut

I love rebuys, as they introduce another element of strategy that weak players get wrong, especially rebuy satellites.

Regarding pub poker, the main objective is to get people into the pubs to spend money, rebuys and add/on's (drink cards) work because they keep people there longer, hotels will be less keen on paying $8pp if they are only there for 10mins and don't buy anything.

Obviously dedicated rooms, pokerdome, jade etc are more free to offer freezeouts.

Agreed - people who complain about not liking rebuys just don't know how to play rebuy poker - it's the perfect structure for pub poker to use too because it keeps the punters in their seats longer.

[borgorg]

Originally Posted by KASEACEdotCOM

Lastnight the only thing that did not make sense to me was this...We sat down and started playing, 5 mins into the game the TD came over to the table and handed 2 players OPT "Passports".

I think he was trying to promote the regular "passport" system and structure to players he thought were new to OPT league. From what I could tell though, every single player had turned up for the free ME entry.
If it wasn't for the ME entry I think the numbers would have been somewhere approaching zero. Promotion FAIL.

[Playa]

Hey listen these are all good points as to the merits of the rebuy structure. I respect your opinion.

However the fact remains that the vast MAJORITY of punters dont like this structure. Plain and simple.Bottom line. Its not even close. Rebuy tournaments have their place in this game but a league like the OPT skews 90% to the rebuy side. This should not be the case.

One thing the APL has done correct to combat this issue is the free 1k chip at the break as well as the regional raffle at the end of said break...this ensures the people hang around to at least that point in time. You could also just increase the startig stack?

Things that in my observation as to why people dont like rebuys:

-Fish get peeved that the person they knocked out half an hr ago has knocked them out. I always figured this would be offset by the fact the fish get a 2nd chance at the title. I just find in my observation this isnt the case most times.

-a simple ten dollar game gets racked up to nearly 40-50 dollars in alot of cases. This leaves people feeling a little jaded wherein they realise it cost a little more than they bargained for. Likewise, theres been cases where i thought i was going for a kickarse 500 freezeout but turned into a rebuy/add on game as it wasnt advertised properly.

-Students (and the poor) particularly dont wanna pay so much to play, when they do, the ten dollars they budgeted for the pokies ends up into the prizepool which is good for the game but not the venue itself. I think Mandor touched on this point. I am in the workforce these days but i spent a great deal in the poor house a few years back when i was a student, they avoid these games like the plague. I find it very very hard to get my mates to the games who are still in this position.

-The wealthier have the advantage in these games. This isnt necessarily a bad point on its own as in theory it attracts a wealthier crowd to the games but remember it was the reason they scrapped the format from the WSOP calendar. And fish, arent dumb at life, they realise this point too.


Bottom line:
The format doesnt conjure alot of runners. ESPECIALLY when no guarantee is offered. I cannot get my friends to come to a double stack rebuy +add on game. Probably why Red martins isnt attracting the numbers it deserves.

Why not meet the patrons halfway at least and scrap the rebuy but keep the add on, or the other way round?

Or have the drinks card be a direct replacement for the add on, which is only sometimes the case.

[Playa]

This is what I would do if it were up to me if i were OPT.

200-300 freeroll.

starting stack=5g (reasonably deep) lots of smaller chips in this start.


free 2k add on after the break.

free raffle at half time for somethig small (5 points or a beer etc)

20 minute break as opposed to usual 15 (any more people will go on vacation to the local westfield).

The drinks card can be either 3k to be used any time till end of break.

OR to please the rebuy buffs the Drinks card could =5g that can be used as a top up at any point OR the rebuy.

[Zarlap]

Originally Posted by Baron Vo Mandor

Guys if your after an easy ticket, get to Red Martins Tavern @ Kogarah, they never get more then 12-13 runners at this game, a top 5 finish in one game and ur virtually a guarenteed qualifier.

Thanks for the tip Baron. 'Virtually guaranteed'??

I am going to head there tonight..... you going?