Is club and pub poker dying in NSW?

[RushPKR]

Is it just me or are the fields getting smaller?

People just don't seem as interested in games anymore.

[Diplomatic Immunity]

It's just you

Our games are bigger than they have ever been. Although we did start from smaller fields than "APL size"

Wintr is always quieter. However, when we are getting 70+ for 3 consecutive weeks over winter for a $75 tournament I think things are going quite well.

You also have to remember that poker is on in more venues than in years past. This serves to spread the player pool over more venues.

Graham

[RushPKR]

Fair enough.
Where are these games because I have been to plenty of venues and cannot find fields of that size or that price.
Whats your website?

[Diplomatic Immunity]

www.npl.com.au

St Patricks Tavern Seven Hills ...

Friday and Saturday 8pm are big games .... all freezeouts. No Rebuys at all ... 20,000 Stacks. Games finish around 2:40am on these days for the Winner !

[RushPKR]

Wintr is always quieter. However, when we are getting 70+ for 3 consecutive weeks over winter for a $75 tournament I think things are going quite well.


Graham

I can't see any $75 tournaments on at Seven Hills on a Friday and Saturday night.

[RushPKR]

An ideal game for players who want to take it seriously would be:

$250 - $450 buy in
$20,000 - $25,000 start stack
30 minute blinds

$25 / $50
$50 / $100
$75 / $150
$100 / $200
$150 / $300
$200 / $400
$300 / $600
$400 / $800
$500 / $1,000
$600 / $1,200
$800 / $1,600
$1,000 / $2,000
$1,500 / $3,000
$2,000 / $4,000
$3,000 / $6,000
$4,000 / $8,000
$6,000 / $12,000
$8,000 / $16,000
$10,000 / $20,000
$12,000 / $24,000
$15,000 / $30,000
$20,000 / $40,000
$30,000 / $60,000
$40,000 / $80,000
$60,000 / $120,000
$80,000 / $160,000

Most of the games you guys hold are pointless for poker players who want to play in good games. You might as well flip a coin on the final table.

I have left most APL, NPL and UPT games thinking what a waste of time.

I would have rathered the 40 people put their money in. Then everyone put their name in a hat and pick 9 people to play on a decent final table, with good competitive play.

You might play well all night and deserve to get to the final table but once you get there you have to compete against a chip leader who has 10 Big Blinds. Just a joke IMO.

This is the reason most of my mates don't play pub and club poker anymore and I believe this will ruin poker in the long run.

I'm sure you'll give me an answer as to why you can't hold a tournament like this. All Im saying is you'll keep losing players if they have to coin flip for wins.

[Tony]

You might play well all night and deserve to get to the final table but once you get there you have to compete against a chip leader who has 10 Big Blinds. Just a joke IMO.

This is the reason most of my mates don't play pub and club poker anymore and I believe this will ruin poker in the long run.

Agree

[Baron Vo Mandor]

An ideal game for players who want to take it seriously would be:

$250 - $450 buy in
$20,000 - $25,000 start stack
30 minute blinds

$25 / $50
$50 / $100
$75 / $150
$100 / $200
$150 / $300
$200 / $400
$300 / $600
$400 / $800
$500 / $1,000
$600 / $1,200
$800 / $1,600
$1,000 / $2,000
$1,500 / $3,000
$2,000 / $4,000
$3,000 / $6,000
$4,000 / $8,000
$6,000 / $12,000
$8,000 / $16,000
$10,000 / $20,000
$12,000 / $24,000
$15,000 / $30,000
$20,000 / $40,000
$30,000 / $60,000
$40,000 / $80,000
$60,000 / $120,000
$80,000 / $160,000

Most of the games you guys hold are pointless for poker players who want to play in good games. You might as well flip a coin on the final table.

I have left most APL, NPL and UPT games thinking what a waste of time.

I would have rathered the 40 people put their money in. Then everyone put their name in a hat and pick 9 people to play on a decent final table, with good competitive play.

You might play well all night and deserve to get to the final table but once you get there you have to compete against a chip leader who has 10 Big Blinds. Just a joke IMO.

This is the reason most of my mates don't play pub and club poker anymore and I believe this will ruin poker in the long run.

I'm sure you'll give me an answer as to why you can't hold a tournament like this. All Im saying is you'll keep losing players if they have to coin flip for wins.

Games of that nature never get up, anything more then a $100+ buyin just isn't viable in the current economy, heck anything over $30+ is even ambitious these days.

[Sin City Admin]

Games of that nature never get up, anything more then a $100+ buyin just isn't viable in the current economy, heck anything over $30+ is even ambitious these days.

only 5 of our games every week are less than $33.

Eye of the beholder I think. Get out and try some new venues. There are some still doing very well.

[Diplomatic Immunity]

I can only lol @ $250 - $450 buyins all the time !

We run $44 and $55 Freezeouts that are GTD at a Minimum of 50x Buyin. We have however run $75 buyins for the last 3 weeks.

All games are 20,000 Stacks

Our Blind Structures are :

25 / $50
$50 / $100
$75 / $150
$100 / $200
BREAK -- 20 min
$200 / $400
$300 / $600
$400 / $800
$500 / $1,000
$700 / $1,400
$1,000 / $2,000
$1,500 / $3,000
BREAK -- 10 min
$2,000 / $4,000
$3,000 / $6,000
$4,000 / $8,000
$5,000 / $10,000
$7,000 / $14,000
$10,000 / $20,000
$15,000 / $30,000
$20,000 / $40,000
$25,000 / $50,000
$30,000 / $60,000 CAPPED

These are 15 minute blinds and this game on a Friday & Saturday with generally 60+ runners starts at 8pm and does not finish until around 3am.

Games cannot run any longer than this .... and during the weekdays, people want games starting @ 7:30pm to finish by 12 - 12:30am at the latest !

No one turns up for a $250 - $450 game on a weekly basis -- you would be lucky to get 10 runners if you ran it weekly ..... and no Hotel is interested in paying us for 10 players to turn up.

Afrfordable buyins with good structures are what we run.

This is what has made poker popular with the masses.

Do you really, seriously think any venue would get 40+ players every night for a $350 buyin ? And if so will these players order a meal, have a few drinks and a punt on the TAB or pokies ?

It is actually big buyin games that will ruin poker for the majority of players in the long run ...

Why do you think so many players play in the WSOP every year ? Cheap buyins ! That is why. When you consider that the buyin for the Main Event has been $10,000 since it's beginning -- the value of $10k today means even the WSOP has recognised the value of staying affordable to the masses .... hence the abundance of $1k tourneys on offer + $200 - $500 buyins at all casinos in Vegas during WSOP

Enjoy your $450 games wherever you may play them PKR ... but Hotel poker, and indeed poker for the masses is best left in the $20 - $50 buyin range.