Have you noticed that theses days its difficult to get credit for a hand, an ace jack with an ace on the flop has turned into a difficult fold. placid poker has gone, placid players GONE! Poker is turning into a difficult way to make a living, tournaments esspecially. All though the true form of poker still lies in cash games. Places like Golden Palace, Jade Tavern, even poker dome has turned poker into one ego contest. (no offence Chris, Paul, Andy) but the turth is the truth.Now back to the topic at hand BLUFFING, it was an art, a skill. it made N/L games the great games they are. Now i myself doo bluff and i know what your all thinking, "when i bluff i dont get 'called'" " he's probably not good" now think what you want, but you'll notice what im saying is true. Maybe emotion has taken a massive play in poker more soo then ever. As Doyle says, "you can't have emotion in your money if you expect to win, the key is to treat it like a tool" i take much thought in those words. Maybe as poker players we should be prepared to loose in order to win. Thats where i believe the emtion comes in. Think NPL, APL, 10 games alike, you see two kinds of people playing, people who are there to win, or people there having fun playing a game getting on the piss with thier mates.NOW THINK who makes or has more money. and you think who consistantly wins more the regulars or the happy go lucky people. The answer the ones with the less emotions.
Have you noticed that theses days its difficult to get credit for a hand, an ace jack with an ace on the flop has turned into a difficult fold. placid poker has gone, placid players GONE! Poker is turning into a difficult way to make a living,If players are very loose, call down with crap and do not give credit, the solution is very simple.Stop bluffing and make far more straightforward value bets and raises.Players calling you down lightly is something that is highly desirable and highly profitable.
Thanks for the response, i myself didnt used to have this problem for a long time. i was at the casino last nite on the 200 table just had a re-awakening. the hand was pretty sick over a 1200 pot. im in bb with AA i hadnt played a hand in about 40 mins Utg raises to 25-fold-call-c-c-rr to 130- folds to me i flat call- utg then pushes for about 320- f-f-f calls for 280- i call the re raiser shows QQ utg shows AK flop KK6 now this player was soo sure that his hand was good the look on his face was shock when we show our hands. this is a rare occasion of course but it is getting difficult i unlike yourself prefer live games to online. and online i feel hand value decrease only because theres alot more hand rates envoled, and you can play multipule tables at once
I think you're making a ridiculous generalisation in your first sentence. While I agree that poker is a difficult living, you must understand that this is part of the evolution of the game. Sure, the game is far different from the one Brunson, Moss and co. ran through the underground in the US, but that doesn't mean it's better or worse. The current NBA game is far different to the one played out in the Wilt Chamberlain, or Bill Russell, or Oscar Roberston days, but that doesn't mean it's better or worse, the same here with poker.You're main point, if I am to understand correctly, is that poker should not be, but is, full of emotional players. I think you will find that no player in the world is emotionless in poker, or in pretty much anything. Everyone has emotions, there are just some that hide theirs (players such as Seidel, Cunningham, etc) and players that wear their emotions on their sleeve (Matusow, Hellmuth, etc). There is no 'max limit' to the amount of emotion needed to win at poker. I myself limit my emotions during tournaments, but by contrast play cash games full of activity and mood swings (tilt to off-tilt, recieving a bad beat to delivering one).Your topic was named poker vs emotion, but I don't think it's a battle at all. It is part of the evolution of the game.Perhaps you're semi-ranting because of the bad beat you took in the later post. I'm not sure. But what I do know is that you're making some statements which are just generalisations and do not represent the thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of regular players who do play well, who can fold AK, who can lay down AJ on an Ace-high board... I see many of these players every day.My suggestion, if you're having trouble getting credited for a hand, stop putting yourself in situations where you're looking for credit in the first place. If you know players at your table are willing to go broke preflop with AK and the like, play accordingly. If you know people will call you down with AJ, play accordingly. Do not lump those players into the category with the solid and above average poker players of Australia.The Shark Hath Spoken.
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