Coaching

[Suicide_KINGS98]

far too many haters around here..

i was lurking 2p2 an came across this,

Coaching-for-Profit Deals in SNG, MTT, and Cash! - Poker Coach Listings -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

just wanted to see what others thought

[HAWK]

I'd love to be able to join but obviously i would'nt have the stats at this stage he would be looking for.

[Gtrain24]

Not sure I could disagree more strongly.

If youre a tard, youre a tard. Sure a coach will help, but if you cant read some books, watch some videos and beat low stakes stuff, you really think burning money on coaches is the way to go?

[risk2Dupside]

If youre a tard, youre a tard. Sure a coach will help, but if you cant read some books, watch some videos and beat low stakes stuff, you really think burning money on coaches is the way to go?

I've read books, watched videos, frequented forums and paid for coaching sessions from numerous people over the last 16 months, which is how long I've been taking the game seriously. Before that, I was a self-confessed tard January last year I would've been a small winner at 4/180s, now I would consider myself a decent winner up to 109s.

If I added it up I've probably spent ~$500 on books, ~$300 on training sites and maybe double this on coaching (HH reviews, sweating other players, general discussion on poker topics). If you have the money to spend a good coach is going to get to where you want to be in terms of skill a hell of a lot quicker than any of the above methods, particularly if you have a basic understanding of the game (regardless of whether you are profitable at it or not), since a review of your HHs is going to result in teaching that is tailor-made to address your leaks.

The only thing is people need to be prepared to then be investing money into the game (rather than taking money out of the game) for a future return. Personally I feel that has paid off for me in multiples, some coaches were better than others but I feel all of them got me thinking about different playing styles and how to beat various types of players. If I did it differently I would've paid for more coaching earlier, tbh, since it's only once you've established a basic 'correct' approach to play the game that you can then develop your own style of play and move on from there.

[Gtrain24]

No doubt that if you have a good grasp of the fundamentals and can win at low stakes then a coach is worthwhile. Also agree that a coach for someone who is generally a winning player at low, mid or high stakes is worthwhile if youre experiencing a downswing or just want to identify some leaks/flaws etc you may not be able to pick up yourself.

I have also spent a small amount on coaching, HH review, training sites etc and have no doubt that speaking with established players about their approach to the game, or to help you identify spots where you need to be doing something different is better than ROTE learning from a book or video.

But I dont think someone who is currently a low stakes player and losing, should be investing a significant portion of their bankroll on coaching.

[GRETZKY427]

How are your stats fairing Suicide Kings, u just playing the $4.40 180mans or other tourneys as well?

Give the coaching a try if you like, see what improvements come to your game

[FSL009]

think a coach is only worthwhile if u have read a bunch of books, watched a fair few training videos, lurked around 2+2 a ton and learnt from the strat forums there, and are making a profit currently at low stakes. If you havent put in any of the above work and plan to hire a coach to simply regurgitate what he tells you I wouldnt recommed it because the money you will spend on said coach will more than likely be a fair few buyins at low stakes. If you have and want to take your game to another level, its highly worthwhile if you find someone good to work with.

it make commen sense to me...why not exahust your free resources or cheap resources and then get coaching after all of that.

[hip]

If youre a tard, youre a tard. Sure a coach will help, but if you cant read some books, watch some videos and beat low stakes stuff, you really think burning money on coaches is the way to go?

If you think education is expensive - try ignorance.

[TurnRiva]

Three options really re: coaching:

1. Onine sites (cardrunners/stox/PP/BFP etc) - there are some really great sites with some great learning tools available to you (Townsend is a learning tool, but not the kind I mean) Depending on the game you want to learn, you can find a good dedicated site usually.

2. Pay a per hour fee - Usually anywhere from $60 - $200/hr (and more for sick ballas etc) - This is a really great way to learn, if you know a lot of your leaks, and can use time well, to bounce questions and theories off a strong mind.

3. Find a coach - Deals vary in these spots, I pay 7.5% of my profit to my NLHE coach, but that is a pretty low cut, as we know each other IRL and it also includes my non holdem action etc. I used to coach non holdem, and deals would vary between 10 - 20% and some would be of FT cashes (so you still make money off losing players) and some would be off profit, and some I would take their action to essentially up my cut. I guess if you're a low limit grinder, then the cut would have to be higher to make it worth anyone time..

(A 4th option, and something you should try and do if you arent already, is find a group of like minded people, that play the same hours, and games that you do, and run a skype call with them, bounce ideas and plays off each other, shadow each other, and work with each other on your games)

[FSL009]

yeah the group thing i think is an absolute must

I have 2 guys that we talk between each other all the time. ie most days via email.

We do give hand histories (modified like when you post them) and comment on each others play for ideas.

Similar stakes similar games, but quite different styles...so that adds balance to us all.

i think this is a must.

But i dont mind coaching if that is what your ready for and your playing enough to make it worthwhile.