Words of warning - My story with Brendon �Brendooor/Brendon1717� Rubie

[luckyshades]

I'm way too far removed to have much of an opinion, but I personally think the most disappointing part of this (apart from the fact these are two of the best young poker players not just in Australia but in the World) is that they agreed on a perfectly reasonable and fair course of action to resolve the dispute amicably by asking for unbiased opinions, and tben one side just decided to back out.

That's really not cool, especially as I think everyone who knows Jono knows without a shadow of a doubt he would have abided by whatever the majority decision ended up being (whether in his favour or not).

Hope you guys can work it out .. Each of you stand to make more money in 2012 than 95% of the population, doing something you enjoy. Take advantage of your skill and successes and have some fun in your lives !!

End old guys "why can't we all just get along" rant.

[Strong Play]

2. Why is there no record of it on PTR?
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Lol what? - how?

[Nauv]

Personally I think this is absurd.

Backer clearly asks the stakee to change the email accounts to avoid the situation. The stakee does not comply for some random reason (Just because he has lots of other stuff on there doesn't mean he cannot link his poker accounts to something different). As far as I am concerned, it becomes the stakee's full responsibility at that point in time.

In a case where there was no real warnings/suggestions from the backer, I think 50% would be acceptable to MU. The responsibility lies with the stakee to not be exploited in that way, yet at the same time it can often be hard to forsee these things.

In this case, it was forseen and warning was given. He is responsible for the full amount IMO.


He clearly owes the $10k. He 'borrowed' the money. He did not forgo the responsibility of that money just because time elapsed. Sure, Jono could have told him about it earlier, but it sounds like he definitely had his best interests at heart by not telling him immediately. It's very much a lose/lose situation for Jono, but for what? For lending someone $10k? Seems wrong to me, and as far as I'm concerned he owes this $10k ainec.

Hope it gets sorted Dong, GL.


CLIFFS: Rubie owes $26k IMO

Hi Matt. Nauv here - good playing with ya at the bounties event!

IMO opinion - this is NOT as clear cut as your post and others on here make out this to be. Let me preface this by saying I dont really know either party well - I have spoken to jonno once or twice and have NEVER met or spoken to Brendan.

1. IMO - the 10k is owed no matter what. It is Brendan's responsibility to make sure the party he sourced for the money is good for it.

2. I agree that IF you both agreed to the 6 person thing and go with the majority decision than this should uphold 100%

3. This point is the one that is contentious IMO. I think most people are entirely missing the point. I only bothered to give my two cents worth because I am in business and have many employees (of which stakees are similar too). I get jonno's point about telling Brendan to change hotmail etc. but Brendan offered a reason as to why he won't change. This is the contentious point that I think most ppl are missing. In my opinion if Brendan gave a reason that jonno accepted either explicitly (by saying hmmmmm ok etc etc) or implicitly (by not actually saying anything but continuining to provide the stake knowing full well that Brendan is still using hotmail), then the fact that jonno even raised the issue of hotmail with Brendan should be ENTIRELY disregarded in my opinion. this may or may not mean that jonno is responsible for some of the amount but if jonno continued the stake while knowing Brendan was still using hotmail, then this shouldn't even be brought up as doing so I think unfairly biases people's Opinion.

I look at this like this in the business world:
Jonno (employer): hey Brendan when you are mopping the floor can you do it after we close because the floor is wet and one of our patients might slip and fall and hurt himself.
Brendan (employee): hey jonno, I don't really wanna do that I would prefer doing it before closing time so I can get out of here quicker and not have to stay back to mop the floors and besides, it saves you money having to pay me more for staying back.
Employer: says nothing

For the next few weeks the employer sees Brendan is mopping floors early before finish time and does or says NoTHiNG...

3 months later a patient slips over breaks his leg.

In this case the employer is solely responsible.

I am not saying jonno is responsible for the stolen money just that the hotmail incident should not be used if the above chain of events occurred.

4. I am not sure if Jonno is implying if Brendan is lying about the money being stolen from bwin. If Brendan is Lyon then obviously 100% at fault and should have to pay up. If it is proven he is not lying then the decision should be made using an industry standard about what to do about stolen funds and the hotmail incident should be entirely cut from the decision making process.

[Nauv]

I'm way too far removed to have much of an opinion, but I personally think the most disappointing part of this (apart from the fact these are two of the best young poker players not just in Australia but in the World) is that they agreed on a perfectly reasonable and fair course of action to resolve the dispute amicably by asking for unbiased opinions, and tben one side just decided to back out.

That's really not cool, especially as I think everyone who knows Jono knows without a shadow of a doubt he would have abided by whatever the majority decision ended up being (whether in his favour or not).
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Hey Tim. Long time no talk...

In regards to the above, do you not think that jonno agreeing to accept the 16k as full and final payment and for the matter to disappear works the same way?!? He basically reneged in exactly the same way as you described above? And some would argue what he did was worse (outing brendan). I simply can't see how you can write the above WITHOUT at least acknowledging the fact that jonno did the same? Duress or not.

[mjw006]

You made some really good points Nauv, and tbh you have probably swayed me a little on that issue from it being clear cut to something I am far less confident about.

I do believe that more details regarding the "hacking" need to be provided by Brandon though because it all sounds very shady to me and perhaps was a key element in the back of my mind when writing up my opinions...

[srv1]

Bwin story complete bull shit. Rubie is scum bag that can not be trusted & now every body knows it. & personally i would hang him by his tiny testicles & beat the shit out of him.

[Monkey]

Assuming he was hacked....

I hate siding with scum bags (I think multiaccounting you is def scumbag tag worthy), but I feel...

Once you give Rubie the 10k and say you'll collect it, the debt is on you. Ive done that before (for a less amount) and I've always considered it my debt once I take the responsibilty of claiming it

The hacked money is much harder and I think you need to find older examples of this as I'm sure it's happened before but if you continue to back Rubie after he explained to you that he will use his hotmail account then it can't all be laid on Rubie as his fault.

Your both great players who will rep Australia in the live scene so hope you work it out

[Strong Play]

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A few months later he is caught out for multi accounting under a friend�s username during WCOOP event and his username was exposed. This reminded me of an event where a guy played exactly like Brendon...3 and 4 betting me relentlessly. Surely enough, I look back on that particular tournament and that account was Brendon�s multi-account; not only does he not stop multi accounting, but he doesn't even have the decency to not take advantage of the in-depth knowledge he has on my game, where as I am taking him for an inexperienced recreational player. He 'sincerely' apologised to me saying that he just didn't want anyone at all knowing it was him because he was embarrassed. I said I'd forgive but not forget and we continued being friends.
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woah woah woah waitttttttt

jono can u pm or post the SN please... this would be real lol if its the SN i think it is...

[Strong Play]

Lol at the ridiculous analogies.

Yep, it's completely the same as a guy mopping the floor. Yep I see it now.

CASE CLOSED.

[Nauv]

Lol at the ridiculous analogies.

Yep, it's completely the same as a guy mopping the floor. Yep I see it now.

CASE CLOSED.

Pretty sure you missed the point of my post completely. With respect to the actual issue (and not a one liner), can you not see if jonno knew this was still happening and did nothing about it, then the hotmail Incident should be disregarded?!? I also think you missed the part where I explicitly state this does not mean jonno is responsible, I DO NOT know what the industry standard is but after speaking to two well known and respected members of the community - both have different opinions on how the money should be handled.

The reality of the situation is this:
Jonno: stop using hotmail.
Brendon: no because (insert reason here)
Jonno: *thinks* Hmmmm annoying that he won't stop, I should probably do something about that like stop the stake or convince him to stop..... But hmmmmm, he is such a good player and if I cut him off someone else will snap him up and the chances of getting hacked really are low....
Jonno: stays silent on the issue after consideration.