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    Johnny Too Bad is offline PNW Amateur
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    JK. your post reminded me of the dice sliding scam on the craps table in a Tasmanian Casino. This took place in 1989. Ancient history, I know. And not poker related, I know.

    I was on vacation in Tassie from Adelaide. I was playing craps, the table was a bit busy but not jammed up.

    There was one guy making big bets in the field and also prop bets on 11 and 12. He had two partners (BTW they were all septos) at the table, one man doing the work with the dice from the left of the stickman and another on the right of the stickman who made bets and actions timed to distract the dealers and boxman from the shooter as he slide the dice
    (1 or both) under the nose of the stickman. The shooter would usually slide one bone with a 6 on top while the other on rolled properly to the end of the table. The scam was well choreographed timed and executed with precision. The 4 staff members at the game were oblivious to what was going on. They successfully slid the dice at least a dozen times. On one occaission he slid both dice with 6's on top to receive a total payout of over $3500 for his partner.

    I left the casino that night but went back the next afternoon and told this entire story to a pit boss who told me that the craps table lost over 30K that night. The table was not open that afternoon, and I guess that this pit boss did not give much credence to my tale, because when I went back again in the evenig the 3 guys were hard at it again. The dick had not even bothered to tell anyone else about the scam that was now going into its second day! OMG!!!

    I left that casino in complete disbelief and not coincidentally the craps table was removed from the casino a few weeks later. I don't know if it has ever returned. I know that I have not.

    Now whenever I relate this story to anybody they almost always say "Why didn't you get on it with them?"

    The answer is Respect or Money? I tried to show respect to the establishment with no expectation of anything in return. They chose instead to disregard my comments and lost their money. So sad when a casino is burned by their own arrogance and ignorance.
    Oh well it's a good story.
    JTB

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    Hello Johnny,
    It certainly is an amazing story.
    But it could be worse.Did you ever think,why didn't this pit boss go to the Shift Manager and report your story?
    He my very easily been involved.
    The problem is you don't know how high up the food chain the scam is involved.
    There is no chance that the dealers did not see the dice sliding .
    There is no chance that the cameras would not have film of the sliding.
    After a big loss cameras are checked.But what if the camera men are involved like in South Aftrica?

    And who do you tell without knowing if they are involved?

    When I was in Croatia a little while ago I got friendly with the casino owner.
    I also played a little Texas.
    I couldn't believe it when I saw that the cards were marked and the dealers were fixing the deck.
    Two dealers were playing on their day off and winning everything.
    Being friendly with the owner I went and told him the shocking news.
    He looked surprised ad shocked as much as I was.
    I went home and presumed that the cheating was stopped.
    About a month later I went to the Croatian Championships on the Island of Bar.
    I don't have time to give you the whole story but this is what happened,very briefly.
    In the 2,000 euro buyin we had 44 entries.That meant a pool of 88,000 euros.
    This same owner took the whole 88,000 and dissappeared.
    When I talked to some of the staff I found out that it was his idea that the dealers cheat.
    And here is me running to tell him about the cheating.

    A little while ago I saw a dealer stealing chips from the casino rake.
    I told the pit boss.I thought I was doing the right thing.
    A week later I find out that she got the sack for being involved and taking a percentage from this stealing.
    You just don't know who to tell.
    Reminds me of those Hollywood movies where someone goes to the cops and then finds out the cops are involved.

    I can give you several more stories where people were scamed and it was impossible to tell how high the operation went.
    Perhaps another day,must go to work.
    Nice to talk to you again Johnny.
    John Kocbek.

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    Johnny Too Bad is offline PNW Amateur
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    Too right JK. Most casino scams involve casino employees.
    I did not think this was the case, in Tassie. I believe that it was a dickhead pit boss who wanted to see his workmates stuck in the shit. He would not be implicated because he was not there when the scam went down. Also the scammers continued their escapades in Adelaide the following week and at Jupiters a couple of years later when I was a boxman there. The saga continued to Crown in its early days in the WTC in Melbourne where I was working in 1995. I recall I met with you there that year?
    Anyway, this was a a group of travelling pros who loved going to Australia because there was a lesser likelyhood of being prosecuted in the event they were discovered. Also the fishing in Tasmania is fabulous!

    I do remember the name of the pit boss, and I am sure that anyone who worked ther ein1989 will remember him also. For all I know he may still be there, having thrown many under the bus on his way up.

    The best casino scams are the ones where the victim does not even realize that he has been robbed...
    JTB

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    Hi Dougie,
    Unfortunatelly,most casino staff would have no idea how to catch a cheat.
    The dealers are too inexperienced and most Pit Bosses don't really care.
    There is no training or courses on game protection in most casinos.
    It is all left to the camera staff.
    John Kocbek.

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