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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoopAE View Post
    oops, double post, I fail. But I don't fail as hard as people who can't beat online poker.
    Some of us can't do it bro
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    Some of us can't do it bro
    winning, positive & upbeat players cashing fat
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    EVERYWHERE !!!

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    I remember reading books about how to play and all the odds and stuff like that.

    Shame I can't go back in time and headbutt myself into sensability!
    The problem is most of the books contain terrible or incorrect information on how to beat the modern game.

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    The problem is most of the books contain terrible or incorrect information on how to beat the modern game.
    So are you offering to teach pn active members a winning system, even if it might mean Baron Vo Mandor is going to bang his head and injure himself?

    I'm really good at losing tournaments, I did have proof but my laptop got stolen about 3 months ago and can't give the hands and stats any more. I know I can reproduce the results though. If you offer to buy my bad beats for the cost of my tournament entries, I can drum up plenty more.

    I can say that I played micro-limits in 2013 and I have in fact improved my game, I can beat $2NL, $5NL and even $10NL where I'm currently playing. I lost my bankroll on $25NL about 2 weeks ago though, where I shouldn't have been playing but I wanted more fpp's to get more bonus points before the end of the year. So Pokerstars removed the doomswitch on me somewhere in 2013, I had a V shaped graph on $2NL that can pinpoint exactly when they decided I'm allowed to play there without needing to deposit.

    I'm willing to bet my doomswitch is still there for tournaments though, well I'm willing for you to bet it is actually! But hey, give me some training and I'll take it on board.
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    So are you offering to teach pn active members a winning system, even if it might mean Baron Vo Mandor is going to bang his head and injure himself?

    I'm really good at losing tournaments, I did have proof but my laptop got stolen about 3 months ago and can't give the hands and stats any more. I know I can reproduce the results though. If you offer to buy my bad beats for the cost of my tournament entries, I can drum up plenty more.

    I can say that I played micro-limits in 2013 and I have in fact improved my game, I can beat $2NL, $5NL and even $10NL where I'm currently playing. I lost my bankroll on $25NL about 2 weeks ago though, where I shouldn't have been playing but I wanted more fpp's to get more bonus points before the end of the year. So Pokerstars removed the doomswitch on me somewhere in 2013, I had a V shaped graph on $2NL that can pinpoint exactly when they decided I'm allowed to play there without needing to deposit.

    I'm willing to bet my doomswitch is still there for tournaments though, well I'm willing for you to bet it is actually! But hey, give me some training and I'll take it on board.

    Is this a level?

    YOU need training, Spikky?

    According to stats avail online, you won a tourney
    in new zealand in 1999 that gave u a spot
    in a Las Vegas champions of tournaments event

    You won 7800 dollars at an astralian associstion
    poker event in june 2004 and
    At adelaise casino poker event, you won a 32 player event


    These playrs should b begging YOU for tip

    :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben dee View Post
    Is this a level?

    YOU need training, Spikky?

    According to stats avail online, you won a tourney
    in new zealand in 1999 that gave u a spot
    in a Las Vegas champions of tournaments event

    You won 7800 dollars at an astralian associstion
    poker event in june 2004 and
    At adelaise casino poker event, you won a 32 player event


    These playrs should b begging YOU for tip

    :/
    I've won other b&m tourneys as well, have many achievements over the years. But online is different, there are many extremely good players even at micro limits. As JK keeps saying, THE RAKE IS EXTREMELY HARD TO BEAT, although I will admit some beat it. Even I am beating it now online, but only just at small stakes.

    Also playing online tourneys for a living is extremely difficult, and I also cop bad beat after bad beat for months sometimes. However, I'm working on it, but slowly.
    Online is different too, Mike Caro's Book of Tells is useless. I haven't played b&m poker for a long time, I got so bored with it and if I go to the casino I play anything other than poker. Don't forget the casino cash games have rakes too and like JK says, you won't be
    at it.

    But make no mistake, I'm still getting better at poker and I will be back again with the best of them one day, well that's the plan.
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    Of course when I say I lost my bankroll I mean the small one that I've been playing with in 2013, I can find money to fund my poker games if I wanted to, which I will do online again. I may even change to tourneys again online and see how I go with them this time. However, I expect to beat the games before moving up and playing the bigger games. I've never been professional, I worked for a living most of my life. 2014 is likely to be different though.

    Also, I can only play one table at a time, which is a serious drawback to making a living online. I'm too old now to learn too.

    But yeah, you'll likely see me somewhere again in some game in some part of the world.
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    Of course when I say I lost my bankroll I mean the small one that I've been playing with in 2013, I can find money to fund my poker games if I wanted to, which I will do online again. I may even change to tourneys again online and see how I go with them this time. However, I expect to beat the games before moving up and playing the bigger games. I've never been professional, I worked for a living most of my life. 2014 is likely to be different though.

    Also, I can only play one table at a time, which is a serious drawback to making a living online. I'm too old now to learn too.

    But yeah, you'll likely see me somewhere again in some game in some part of the world.

    We should all be optimistic

    Internet poker needs to multi-tabling to be profitable

    If you are quality player, you will see more hands per hour

    Eat more fish

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    Nobody can make a living 1-tabling online poker unless you're playing nosebleed stakes cash games (or at the very least upper midstakes HU cash)

    MTTs are currently the softest form of poker, where even a relatively average tag like me can make 50k+ a year (150k this year apparently, winning two majors helps) quite easily. Truly elite tournament players like Edison will make six figures every year online. It's a simply question of math

    Basically, if you can play 5000 games at an ABI of $80, that's 400k invested. At a +25% ROI (which is very attainable with good field selection, solid fundamentals and decent all-around poker ability) that's 100k/yr on average - which is around what I think my expectation for 2014 is. In 2013 my volume and ABI were in that region (that's only 14ish tourneys a day if you play every day or 19 a day if you play 5 days a week, if you can play even six tables that's easily attainable, obviously easier if you can play more)

    Truly elite guys who crank out volume or have a higher ROI can easily have an expectation of 200k a year in online tournaments.

    No one is too old to learn to multi-table, I typed at 10 words per minute when I started, now I type at 80+ words per minute. It's not a question of actions per minute until you start getting to 12 tables or more really, anyone can click a mouse quickly enough, it's a matter of getting your thought process to the stage where you can look at any given hand and board and action, immediately take your read on the player, notes or hud stats into account (whatever you prefer to use) and know exactly what to do. I would estimate that I only take more than five seconds to know roughly what to do in about 1 in 100 hands. Obviously if you're playing against elite regs it's harder, but then again if you're playing higher stakes games you should be playing less tables and therefore have more time to make those decisions.

    Some people simply don't have what it takes to beat online poker, whether it's tilt issues, ADD/attention issues, lack of basic intellect, lack of willingness to learn solid fundamentals or whatever else, but if you're of above average intelligence and willing to get coached by someone who is good at poker (eg. someone who wins consistently over a sample of thousands of tournaments, or hundreds of thousands of cash game hands) then there's no reason you can't be successful.

    An attitude like 'i'm too old to change my ways' just makes you a fish, who is there to gamble, not to invest in order to receive a return on investment. I don't have the raw poker ability that guys like Edison Nguyen and Jono Karamalikis have. I don't have the ability to mass table and put volume in that the guys who get Supernova Elite each year have. I don't have the raw intellect that some of the elite guys have. I'm never going to be playing nosebleed stakes with Ivey and co, because I know where my skill ceiling is, but I work hard to keep my game at that level and I choose to play in games that are both beatable and maximise my hourly rate and because of that I make enough money to live comfortably from poker. There are another 20-30 guys or so in Australia who do the same thing with MTTs, and plenty in cash games as well.

    In live poker, below 5/5, the rake WILL eat all of your profit. In MTTs that isn't even close to true, especially with the 30-something percent rakeback or more that is standard on all of the sites if you put in decent volume

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    Also, field selecting is an underrated skill. If I played the absolute worst tournaments I could find value wise at an $80 ABI, I would probably be a breakeven player. If I select the Bigs/Hots/Soft Sunday Majors/3x-turbo sats full of aussie fish/Soft tourneys on the minor sites etc. I probably have a +50% ROI at the same stakes. Jumping into a $320 6max event and a $215 turbo on stars is not going to make you very much money in the long run compared to playing the Hot 75, 55 and 44, Big 55 and 109 and $215 Sunday Million with the same $500 and change.

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