was a check raise the right option???(HH)

[knightfan]

just wanted some advice on this 1,mostly was a check-raise the right option, or should i bet it out???No Limit Hold'em - 3:40:16 ET - 2006/02/27Seat 1: ratedmosthated ($70.50)Seat 2: knightfan ($45.70)Seat 3: devyn08 ($232.35)Seat 4: anthonyYO ($45.15)Seat 5: LightCC ($83)Seat 6: west_eh ($50)anthonyYO posts the small blind of $0.25LightCC posts the big blind of $0.50The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to knightfan [Qd Ah]anthonyYO: yeah you're gonna get callers like thatratedmosthated calls $0.50knightfan raises to $2.25devyn08: didnt want um smart guydevyn08 calls $2.25anthonyYO foldsLightCC foldsratedmosthated folds*** FLOP *** [9c Ad Qc]knightfan checksdevyn08 bets $5.75knightfan raises to $18devyn08 calls $12.25*** TURN *** [9c Ad Qc] [6h]anthonyYO: god you made 75 you can mak e a phone call nowknightfan bets $25.45, and is all indevyn08 calls $25.45knightfan shows [Qd Ah]devyn08 shows [Ac Jc]*** RIVER *** [9c Ad Qc 6h] [6c]knightfan shows two pair, Aces and Queensdevyn08 shows a flush, Ace highdevyn08 wins the pot ($90.65) with a flush, Ace highany opinions would be greatcheers

[footy]

i think this is read-critical. if your opponent is aggressive and will bet at a flop like this if you check, then the c/r is a legitimate option. however, to give a free card on such a draw rich board is very dangerous. hence, i would lead out with a pot sized or larger bet, unless my read was perfect.

[knightfan]

sry about reads, i have only just went back to full tilt since i got my new p.cso NO READS all i can say in the 10minutes iv been at the table, i cant be sure but it looked like he was using his sack pretty well( over betting pots) and just to add,i can basically concede i was losing my stack here on most occasions.however im just looking for advice on the flop.e.gthe check raisecheers footy so far

[pokerbok]

I bet 60%, check raise 30% and check call 10%

[Punty]

I think thats a bad time to choose to check-raise.The flop is too draw rich to risk giving a free card. You were the aggressor preflop so even if you miss the flop completely your opponent would be expecting a continuation bet. Checking does not make you look weak, it is screaming check-raise. You say you have no reads, but even if I considered devyn08 to be very aggressive I would still bet out. Even with a flop of A Q Q I would still bet out because thats what Im doing if I hold TT or suited connectors.I am surprised pokerbok checks this 4/10 times. Me might be ridiculously better than myself but I just can't agree with that.

[pokerbok]

Was just a BS rough estimate - pointing out that you shouldn't do only one thing. Probably more like 80% 15% 5%

[Octavian30]

Given the fact that people hit their 4 to 1 flush draws about 2 in 3 against me and that when I go for the 4 in 1 flush draw I hit it about 1 in 6 or 7 I never check to a 2 card flush ... lead out an dmake em pay... you only have 2 pr after all.

[EurekaKid]

When it is heads-up and you are out of position, have raised pre-flop I like a standard continuation bet in this situation. Adds deception to your game as your oppoents can't tell if you are betting the nuts or you missed the flop completely. A check in this siuation raises suspicion of good opponents, this guy obviously had no idea so you won a good pot.

[cameronw01]

I agree with Eureka, right up until the last line.

[Goldy]

knightfan, my default is to bet. Like bok, it's probably around 75/15/10 for bet, c/r and c/c respectively. I continuation bet a ton so a bet is no indicator of any great strength, whereas a check/raise usually is. If they hold 54o then you're not getting action either way.