Pot Limit Omaha v correctly structured Limit at Crown

[Andrew LeRoy]

Tonight is 1-2 Omaha nite at Crown.This game is drying up and it’s a shame.There are two reasons. 1)The skill gap between good players and bad is massive. And the sheep have been slaughtered rather than sheared.2)The game is slow for the stakes involved due to pot calculations.The old 8/16 Holdem Omaha used to be very popular with the gamblers.I think a correctly structured Omaha High game could hit the jackpot.Skillful enough for the good players, with enough fast action and variance for the gamblers, and no calculations for the dealers.Proposed structure: Blinds $5, $5. Bring in bet and pre-flop bet size $10. So you open for $10 or raise to $20 cold. The blinds can complete their stake or fold as per a standard SB situation.SB/BB $5Pre Flop bet size $10Flop Bet size $20Turn Bet size $30River Bet size $30This is a structure well know Omaha author Bob Ciafione endorses as being very good for a balanced Limit game.The problem with a standard Holdem Limit structure in an Omaha game is that the Flop bet size is not large enough to manipulate the pot and so the skill factor drops dramatically. Also by having the blinds lower relative to the bring-in players who understand the game again have a chance to outplay their opponents.On the other side of the coin more players will see a flop than in a pot limit game and big pots will be built by multiple contributors rather than 2-3 players which appeals to the gamblers (including me).

[flusher83]

I agree in part to your post lucky.Why do more people not play omaha? Oh that's right, players like lucky, Gary, Dan and Myself are contantly able to outplay everyone at the table, making it a goldmine for the better players.I have always wondered why more people don't play omaha at crown or online. Then I realised - would the average person really want to play omaha against Gary, Dan or Lucky? They are almost no chance of losing long term - so the average player might as well play 2-3 NL crapshoot. The only chance that us players lose money on these tables is when we are all in at the turn when the odds are 75-25 in our favour. Also the average player gets bored playing with 1-2 blinds - what a load of bs! Good players dream of playing deep stack omaha. I hate playing when i am all in on the flop or the turn - it takes all the skill out of the game and gives crap players a chance.Maybe limit omaha is the way to go lucky - good players will still dominate but bad players still get entertainment. Personally i would like to be able to punish bad players and take their stack in one hand, but that's just me...

[knightpistol]

Andrew, I have played the 1/2 & 2/4 PLO at Crown on the odd occasion that I can make it on a Tuesday or Wednesday. The problem for me is that those 2 days are not really good for me with work commitments etc. I play PLO exclusively on line & it is by far my favorite game. If Crown offered the smaller level PLO games on a Friday night, Saturday night or Sunday afternoon I for one would never leave the place. From the discussion I have had with the staff this is not likely to happen!

[yoyo]

As Andrew said, you can shear a sheep many times but skin it only once.Hold'em is the ultimate shearing game. You guys are in the wrong game.

[Andrew LeRoy]

PS The last two times I've played Omaha I've been on tilt from things going very wrong in the shearing shed (2/3 NLH) and spaz called off all my dough. At the moment I'm the value in the Omaha game.If we are gonna save it we need a structure that works for the gamblers. Otherwise we will be the grumpy old men in the corner taking turns to go on tilt. Except for Micky that boy is a machine. He never tilts. He is the Cardinator.

[lilRay]

Wow flusher, are you really that good ?

[flusher83]

I take back everything after last nights very tired and pathetic performance. Lucky I only lost 300 i guess.I got aces 4 times in a row, 3 times they were doubled suited and the fourth time they weren't and ding - someone turned bottom 2 pair and called my all in. That was enough to send anyone on tilt.I am normally pretty good but that hand killed me, then i tilted off the rest of my stack half an hour later with QJ109 on a flop of QJ6 rainbow. Button raised preflop and i check raise on the flop. I thought he had AA but of course he had 66. turn 7 river 7. oh well, not to be.p.s. smart ass comments more than welcome in the future... lol...

[PeepOnTheSly]

Make sure the game doesnt die off. Ill be back soon to donate.

[danielg]

if there is anyone who can donate in a game its me. but i prefer limit omaha. if they get 8/16 or 10/20 holdem/omaha back up more often ill give it a shot.CheersDan

[Steven1964]

Hi guys! Long time reader first time poster! I have played at Crown for a while now and the biggest donations on these games are made by this original poster. LuckyLeRoy!! possibly the most self rated player in the history of the game.Another beer?