Who gets the pot? - ruling please

[boomstix]

Hey Guys,I have an interesting question for all you aspiring Tournament Directors/Poker Room operators.This is a tournament situation. The Stakes are reasonably high and the pressure is on the players. TWO PLAYERS ARE ALL IN FOR a total pot of 450k in chips whilst the average stack is around 60k therefore this POT will have a huge effect on the tournament overall.The board reads....10s 9s 8h 7s 10hPLAYER 1 announces "FULL HOUSE" and exposes 10c 8d for 10's full of 8's.PLAYER 2 announces " *&#! i have a FLUSH" and exposes Js 8s. The dealer who also happens to be PLAYER 1 celebrates his victorypushes the cards/muck to the next player to deal and pulls in his chips. All cards are now mucked and 2 players say, nah mate - he had a straight flush. Then player 2 confirms what was on the board and explains he knows he had Js 8s making a J high straight flush. Bearing in mind that although there is a responsibility to the player to recognise his hand there is also a rule of "cards speak".An argument ensues - your opinions please and i will tell you the outcome afterwards....cheers,Bushy

[zero]

normally i would say give it to the guy with the straight flush, but if HE mucked his cards then they are mucked.If the dealer mucked his cards and was also the other player then that is dodgy and you should give it to the guy with the straight flush as it sounds like the player (dealer) knew and tried to hide it.Still what a retard in any case; almost deserves to lose regardless

[muted79]

I think it's the player with the straight flushes responsibility to recognise his hand before mucking his cards, especially in a self taught game where there is no recourse through dealers/supervisors etc. Without having his cards in hand he could claim he had anything really, but without evidence to back it up, I don't see how he can get the pot. Even with other players on the table claiming it, they could have misread his cards too, again without the cards as evidence, I can't see him winning the pot.

[Punty]

I believe the pot goes to the straight flush. The pot goes to the best exposed hand.Im not confident, but if I was running the tournament that would be my ruling.

[ant0s]

very simple, cards are mucked!next time the guy should pay more attention

[Strong Play]

Cards speak Bushy.If his Js8s was exposed and confirmed by other players it takes the pot down. Fortune favours the extremely foolish in this situation.

[ant0s]

yeh strong play has a fair pointcards were exposed.. maybe the clown does get the pot

[ant0s]

boomstix, who was awarded the pot?

[Duff85]

By my knowledge of tournament rules:The straight flush has until the cards are cut for the beginning of the next hand to claim the pot. If he does not recognise he has a straight flush (happens frequently with the donks at pub poker) before the next hand is cut... too bad, learn about the game before you play it donk.This has happened to me before while being a player and i've had to rule on it several times as a TD.

[Danny McDonagh]

boomstix saysBearing in mind that although there is a responsibility to the player to recognise his hand there is also a rule of "cards speak".Why have two contradictory rules - you either have cards speak - if the cards are tabled then he gets the pot, or you don't have cards speak.