You have got to be joking...

Ahhh, more bitter sledging losers. Keep 'em coming. I want to try to top 100 insults on this thread.

Please post another omaha HH amoladora.

He was an honest but drunk guy. If he had shown me his cards during the hand I would have been only slightly more confident that he was open ended. Yes, I did win a 1.5k pot... woohoo. Great play calling when you know someones hole cards?... uhhh, no.

There is some madness on the cash tables which is the norm for the AM.. but this takes the cake.

I raise to $30 on the button with 5s6s on a 2-5 table. There are 4 callers including a call in the SB from a very drunk Icelandic guy.

Flop K76. Checked to me. I continue... $80. The iceland guy says "call, wait, no, fold... I'm just open ended." The dealer says "sorry but the call stands". Two others call.

Turn 7. Checked around.

River Q. No flush out there.

Icland guy pushes all in for >$1k. One guy folds his King (understandable), the other folds. I call for my remaining $600.

He shows 5-8.

I heard a deal was done with 3 to go...

$130k to go to 1st
$100k
$100k

Well it's nice to have a piece of a top player for the ME. Good luck Resteal.

Correct... with 7 left your TT is too good for AQ and my AA for 35k. No drama... gg. But don't have too many sour grapes on this occasion.

You have 3 moves...

a) fold - give up on the thread and find a new target
b) call - come up with another witty and smart snipe
c) raise - go for a personal attack

... I'm smelling a raise.

It's a theory... try to get over the fact that I didn't create this post because of you. No, I'm not calling you an angry losing player... but you are a sledger.

Firstly, when I say "real players....." I am not referring to myself. Also not sure I'm a man of reasonable intellect... but I'd like to think so.

Personally, I don't think it's a pointless thread - I find it pretty interesting. If you believe the theory, I think it points out that miserable load mouth knockers are very often total losers. If I was to go a little further, I'd say they want to be big shots on a little forum with a barrage of (what they see as) brilliantly witty and smart snipes. There are probably some similarities to a bully in a school yard. I think there is also extreme jealousy when a player cashes big - they can't help rubbishing him/her.

I see some other poker forums and think the sledge rate is far higher here. I think it's a reason why so many top players stop posting on here. It's a real shame.

Anyway TheTroll, if you've lost interest in the thread, feel free to ignore it.

If you want to know...
Poker Winner - Yes
Employed - Yes

I don't have much sledging experience. You? Can you give me a datapoint? ie Sledger (yes/no) Poker Winner (yes/no). Be honest now.

Just a theory but are miserable bitter sledgers on this site more likely to be losing players? It seems that most of the time the real players generally have well constructed arguments or points and are less likely to get tangled in trivial arguments or personal warfare.

I'm aware there are plenty of examples where this is not the case but as a general trend I think I have a point.

We'd all much rather hear how your pro poker playing career is coming along Tim.

Your opinion is highly valued. Thanks for taking the time out to respond.

The poor bloke is new to poker and in a low stakes online sng... tragic.


Table #12322420 - Tournament #7851845 Table #1
Starting Hand #609535362
Start time of hand: 12 Dec 2008 13:41:14
Last Hand #609534860
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $300/$600
Button is at seat 4
Seat 1: vipoglomon - $9,050
Seat 4: KeyerSoze - $8,950
Moving Button to seat 1
vipoglomon posts ante of $75
KeyerSoze posts ante of $75
vipoglomon posts small blind ($300)
KeyerSoze posts big blind ($600)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qh Qd] to KeyerSoze
vipoglomon raises to $1,800
KeyerSoze raises to $8,875 (all-in)
vipoglomon calls $8,875
vipoglomon shows [8d 8s]
KeyerSoze shows [Qh Qd]
Dealing Flop [2c 7d 4c]
Dealing Turn [Jh]
Dealing River [Td]
KeyerSoze has One Pair: Queens
KeyerSoze wins $17,900 with: One Pair: Queens
Seat 1: vipoglomon - $100
Seat 4: KeyerSoze - $17,900
End Of Hand #609535362


... ends with

Table #12322420 - Tournament #7851845 Table #1
Starting Hand #609543529
Start time of hand: 12 Dec 2008 13:53:15
Last Hand #609543316
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $400/$800
Button is at seat 1
Seat 1: vipoglomon - $15,600
Seat 4: KeyerSoze - $2,400
Moving Button to seat 4
vipoglomon posts ante of $100
KeyerSoze posts ante of $100
KeyerSoze posts small blind ($400)
vipoglomon posts big blind ($800)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Qc 9d] to KeyerSoze
KeyerSoze raises to $2,300 (all-in)
vipoglomon calls $2,300
vipoglomon shows [Qh 5c]
KeyerSoze shows [Qc 9d]
Dealing Flop [2h Ac 5s]
KeyerSoze can't believe it.
Dealing Turn [2s]
Dealing River [Kh]
KeyerSoze has One Pair: 2s
vipoglomon has Two Pairs: 5s, 2s
vipoglomon wins $4,800 with: Two Pairs: 5s, 2s
Seat 1: vipoglomon - $18,000
Seat 4: KeyerSoze - $0
End Of Hand #609543529

Would've posted all hands but it seems 20k is too big to post.

[x] spot on

Following discussions with several players, dealers and supervisors today at Crown, I can be pretty confident that Dave should have shown first (and that the above account from Tim is spot on). I am going to ask a couple of higher stakes players in a week or 2 to confirm beyond doubt.