APL Poker Tour Sydney

[Beeper9]

I used to play APL, but only freerolls. Anyway, I support what you are doing and hope that they stop fleecing players who are not even aware what is happening with the rake.

There should be some accountability for these things.

[whitey9999]

Originally Posted by OdZhold41nce

APL are lying cheating scums,

The APL tour ticket has been valued at $1350 at various events all over Australia however with a total pool of $203,000 and a starting field of 203 at the recent Sydney event that places the value of the ticket at $1100 at best?

I personally am sick of this free for all nature in the poker community ......venues taking more rake than adequate???

These amateur (here for a laugh and good time) players are unwittingly being fleeced for $1000's of dollars each week.

The Cash tables they run .....taking 10% form each pot with the blinds at $2 $3 and the average player buying in for $120. That's $1000 on the table with the class of (tilted call raises with 810 drunk) players most pots exceed the $80 mark so that's $8 a hand raked, minimum after 4 hrs of play at around 12 hands played per hour they have raked a minimum of $386 max of $800 between 2 Td's on top of their hourly wage tax free they have done well for themselves, that's just at an average game.

My example of corruption will be a recent WA regional finals 500+ starting players 100+ on tilt from semi early busts 6+ cash tables with TD's licking their lips at $3/$5 binds avg pot at $100.
Cash tables started at 2pm and continued till 10pm that's 8hrs 12 pots an hour x 6 tables that's a ridiculous total minimum rake of $5760 not to mention the fact they also run $20 and $50 sng's on the side taking 1 seat rake.

This is why years ago Poker was considered a scumbag game where people were stolen from and manipulated out of their cash.
Its just a matter of time before this does a full circle and all the fish die out.

I personally have taken my time out to personally attend these venues and make aware to regs that they are being conned out of $100's of dollars and the response has been amazement as most haven't thought where all the money ends up and the processes that have been set to make them believe its legit.

Ok, To start off Im not taking apls side, Coz i hate this as much as you do but i can sometime see where they are coming from, from a business view.

The tickets obviously have to cover the costs of the tournament and stuff, so the extra 250$ for each ticket would probably cover costs of hiring out the poker room, wages of the td, dealers (dont know if they had dealers i assume they would) and security. Business view is you would obviously want to make a big profit from the big event. As for the cash games, with the 10% rake to a max of $8 for 80+ thats the same that Star City, i dont think youll be able to stop this shit.
Its the other companies that are absolute c*nts, ive heard off that take like 30-40% of the cash pool from a tournament ,when they dont do shit but let them use their chips and table.

[clintsmydad]

In reply to the sydney apl tour event the prizepool component of the ticket was $1000 so the prize pool was accurate while i have a problem with alot of things they do they are still only service providers and can run there business as they see fit, the tournament was managed well, ran smoothly and actually had more play in it than it looked from the outside. There are things that could have been done better but nothing worth writing about.

[OdZhold41nce]

Originally Posted by clintsmydad

In reply to the sydney apl tour event the prizepool component of the ticket was $1000 so the prize pool was accurate while i have a problem with alot of things they do they are still only service providers and can run there business as they see fit, the tournament was managed well, ran smoothly and actually had more play in it than it looked from the outside. There are things that could have been done better but nothing worth writing about.

Umm that is my point the ticket was not valued at $1000 it was said at all their events that the ticket was worth $1350.

And that comment on how the extra $250 per ticket is is to pay dealers and the running of the event?
Do you guys realize how much venues pay for APL to host their events there?
That is more than enough for them to cover the dealers, TD's and business.

Eg: You have a band playing at an RSL club and it will attract 50 extra patrons so the RSL can justify paying the band $2000 to play because each of those 50 extra patrons will bring in far more with drinks, food and pokies.

So when an event with 200+ is hosted the APL would receive an attractive sum of money from the venue for bringing that extra business for the day as well as the sponsors etc:

[clintsmydad]

Originally Posted by OdZhold41nce

Umm that is my point the ticket was not valued at $1000 it was said at all their events that the ticket was worth $1350.

And that comment on how the extra $250 per ticket is is to pay dealers and the running of the event?
Do you guys realize how much venues pay for APL to host their events there?
That is more than enough for them to cover the dealers, TD's and business.

Eg: You have a band playing at an RSL club and it will attract 50 extra patrons so the RSL can justify paying the band $2000 to play because each of those 50 extra patrons will bring in far more with drinks, food and pokies.

So when an event with 200+ is hosted the APL would receive an attractive sum of money from the venue for bringing that extra business for the day as well as the sponsors etc:

you can write and have the ability to access both a computer and the internet so i will not insult you, but the $1000 is prize $250 is admin and $125 is GST so the total is $1375 so in theory you should now be pissed off an extra 2%. While a casino will be benefited by the increased traffic and exposure this will not always translate to a fee for apl, it would be poor business for them not to charge APL, your example of the $2000 for a band for 50 customers is an equation of a $120 per head spend to make the band profitable after costs and taxes are deducted, not that this has much to do with anything, the reality is that APL is a business and while it is frowned upon for a company to make a profit from poker it is there right. If anything there new system is a great deal more transparent. with the sats and other events showing the breakdowns previously the only way to know the value of a ticket was via the player of the month cash prizes. im rambling and not writing in sentences but there is enough in here to prove a point

[ctb]

APL Sat's into the Sydney main event at the clubs gave 1 seat for every 25 runners at $55 a pop.

25 x $55 = $1375

APL Satellite on the Sunday night at Star City gave 1 seat for every $1000 in the prize pool.

So everyone playing in a club is paying $15 juice. (27%)

The terms and conditions are not clear how much each seat is since you cannot buy directly in.

Anybody that plays in the satellites that run in the clubs should just burn their money because of the high rake and stupid structure.

[ozvillain]

Just to stick my two cents in the last apl event i played in (normally play poker challenge, they used to be equally as bad seemed to have sorted out the pub but only two mins from my house)

24 players
$15 buy in
$10 add on

Payout
1 200
2 100
3 40

WTF???????!!!!!!

They basically just kept all the add ons!

I'm guessing NPL do the best value games - and oz poker tour in the eastern suburbs seem alright.

[thamask]

Originally Posted by ozvillain

Just to stick my two cents in the last apl event i played in (normally play poker challenge, they used to be equally as bad seemed to have sorted out the pub but only two mins from my house)

24 players
$15 buy in
$10 add on

Payout
1 200
2 100
3 40

WTF???????!!!!!!

They basically just kept all the add ons!

I'm guessing NPL do the best value games - and oz poker tour in the eastern suburbs seem alright.

In the poker challenge games they were selling tickets with a face value of $35 or $40 for $110 but they run a better rort.....td's have given there friends/family/partners, extra chips at most cash buy in games. If you ever get to the final table add up the chips in play compared to runners they never match, A couple of yrs ago i played there top gun final, when we got hu we counted both stacks there was meant to be 340k in chips in play and there ended up being 465k. There was a td who's boyfriend would play events run by her and won every final series for 2 yrs!!!

To my understanding its only got worse over the past 2 yrs since we all left

[whitey9999]

Originally Posted by thamask

In the poker challenge games they were selling tickets with a face value of $35 or $40 for $110 but they run a better rort.....td's have given there friends/family/partners, extra chips at most cash buy in games. If you ever get to the final table add up the chips in play compared to runners they never match, A couple of yrs ago i played there top gun final, when we got hu we counted both stacks there was meant to be 340k in chips in play and there ended up being 465k. There was a td who's boyfriend would play events run by her and won every final series for 2 yrs!!!

To my understanding its only got worse over the past 2 yrs since we all left

Played in the Top gun challenge last weekend, they must be taking a bit out, they were selling the tickets at regular games for $80 then at the event for $110. And i think it was about $10000 or $15000 prize pool (Cant remember) for about 200 people with most doing a $50 addon or rebuy
$10000 / 200 = $50 so basically only addons or rebuys were counted.

Also if you want to get in easily for that, go to a pokerchallenge event and basically only have to last a little bit and your in. They give one ticket out each week for 12 weeks and most pokerchallenge venues have only like 20 people each week. BTW Played my first pokerchallenge event in a while the week before and got the ticket