2 Tournament Directors at Crown stuffed UP. with a basic rule.

[SwoopAE]

Agreed this would be a good investment. Buy a couple thousand all-in buttons, won't set you back more than a few hundred bucks (or one timecharge across the room, lol) and it will save hassles like this in the future.

[thehux]

Originally Posted by MichaelVuka

I have used the all in button in the 2006 wsop and it was a great idea. But on a small tourny the cost of giving everyone 1 button would have to be a thing crown casino look into.

Yes I know it well. Right after we launched the Poker Dome Challenge in Vegas (With All IN buttons) they went out and copied the idea. Too bad they (RIO and Staff) completely stuffed it up because they never introduced it properly. Do you remember the whole debacle and how it went down?

The ALL-IN button is a great idea, and one that I believe was suggested many, many moons ago by Barny Boatman. We adopted his suggestion during the rise and fall of Speed Poker and the players loved it.

There are actually two ways of utilizing an ALL-IN button.

OPTION 1

1. Players have their own ALL-IN buttons that they take with them every time they play. These would be custom buttons and can come in all shapes and sizes but simply serve to inform the other players of their intentions in cash games and tournaments.
This button would not actually have any bearing on the actual rules of the casino or card room, as to have new procedures implemented is nothing less than a nightmare. What it would do however is reduce the instances where issues such as the one described earlier occur.

Keep in mind that because such a button would not be bound by the rules of a casino, this opens up a Pandora's box of BS than can, and no doubt will, occur from the use of it. (Player say he didn't mean to put it in etc etc)

OPTION 2

The casino has 3 or 4 very clear, very big ALL IN buttons at each table in the dealers rack. These are then used by the dealer, (as they are the ones responsible for running the game after all), when a player moves ALL-IN. The dealer simply places the ALL-IN button in front of the player that is ALL IN once the action is announced. This way, it is simply an extension, or rather proof that such an action has actually happened and all players should now be aware. There is no recourse here for the player in the above situation, and if they do not see the HUGE red button in front of the player showing them that they are all in, then yes they need to be penalized for not paying attention.

OPTION 2 is in use in many casinos in North America and also in Asian cardrooms such as the Grand Lisboa. It is the best way to do it, but I think people should also have their own custom ones that they keep.

That's all I have to say about ALL-IN buttons.

[Percy]

imo its up to the seat 2 player to know what the action is. If he is unsure, he can always ask the dealer where the action is at that given point, before he acts.

50K raise or all-in, does it really matter, seat 2 player should be aware. No "all-in" buttons required.

12K stays in the pot with seat 2 given the option to fold, call the remaining 38K or raise.

[thret]

I think that All-In buttons would reduce confusion at the table, I also think they are a bad idea... situational awareness is important and I'm okay with people who are not paying attention being at a significant disadvantage. Actually I am all for it. Adding All-In buttons would be like banning iPods.

[HelloJohnny]

While it's pretty clear that Seat 2 was not angleshooting, there should be some responsibility by players to follow the action so it's a hard decision ("by the book" versus "spirit of the game").

There's no guarantee that having an all-in button would have caused the Seat 2 to act any differently... if he didn't notice the all in announcement by the dealer, who's to say he would have seen the all in button!

[DaleC]

Whether he is a crown regular or noob does not have anything to do with it, its the players own fault for not concentrating on the game and listening to the dealer, some of those TD's are so up themselves and dont have a clue what the are doing!

[Michael Josem]

Originally Posted by DaleC

Whether he is a crown regular or noob does not have anything to do with it, its the players own fault for not concentrating on the game and listening to the dealer, some of those TD's are so up themselves and dont have a clue what the are doing!

But the TDs ruled in accordance with Robert's Rules of Poker.

Do you disagree with the ruling? If so, why? What rules were broken?

[berry1]

In any of the 3 casinos i have played in recently in Queensland (townsville, bris, GC). the player is allowed to take his chips back in ring games. I don't like it though. There's a few regs that angle shoot. In brisbane especially you can do whatever u want. i don't think i've seen a penalty handed down. ever.

[vaincross]

In poker it is 1 word accompanied with actions that are binding, not only is the player not concentrating,but the dealer apparently has clearly announced the action and yet he has still announced raise, that's 2 strikes. Poker is about concentration, as far as i'm concerned he said raise and that constitutes an all in in this situation. If i made an error like that i wouldn't be happy about it but i will know that simply put, "i have fucked up". There is no grey area or spirit of the game needing to be applied here as far as i'm concerned. So the next time i clearly announce "call" to an over jam, i'll go "well fuck me, i didn't know it was that much, clearly i wouldn't call an all in if it was that much". The only grey areas are when it is unclear what the players actions were, did he say call or raise? Did he fold ? etc. Once that is established then that's all we need to know.

[vaincross]

furthermore to my repsonse, this hand happened recently at star city and from what i have read i wholeheartedly agree with the ruling and believe it to be the only logical option at the TD's disposal:

Scott Crumbles, Tian Triples

Written by thkcduckworth, 2010 04 23 03:01 pm EST
Stewart Scott pushed all in and was called by Patrick Woodley. Tian Shou heard just a call - believing it was for the big blind of 1,600 - and announced raise.

The dealer explained that Scott was all in for roughly 20,000 and that had been called by Woodley. Consequently Shou was forced to raise, and decided upon moving all his chips into the pot. Woodley called and we were off to a showdown.

Scott: {9-Spades}{9-Diamonds}
Woodley: {10-Hearts}{10-Diamonds}
Shou: {Q-Clubs}{J-Clubs}