2 Tournament Directors at Crown stuffed UP. with a basic rule.

[MichaelVuka]

I was playing in this Sundays $125 Tournament today and I was involved in a hand where I announced ALL IN for over 50k (in seat 9) and seat 10 folds quickly and the dealer says a "player is ALL In". Player in seat 1 fold quickly when player in seat 2 announces a raise of 12k. I did not get time to push any of my chips in because the action happened fast.
The player in seat 2 is told by the dealer that I have already pushed all in and for some reason is allowed to take his chips back.
I asked for the TD to be called and when he was called the TD also allowed the player to take back his 12K raise. I then asked the TD to check on the rules because I was sure my actions where correct with my verbal ALL IN and the dealer repeated my play by announcing a "PLAYER IS ALL IN"
NOW 2 TD's (Male and female) are talking about the ruling and they both agree they made the correct decision.
After 20mins I then ask TD Mike about the ruling and he said I was correct and told the other 2 TD's about the correct way to act in this action.

Nothing could be done about the lack of TD's Knowledge at the time But if 2 TD's Don't know the rules that seem's so basic, then both those TD's should return to being dealers.
As Player's, when we make a mistake on the table we are given warnings or time of the table. Crown Casino should receive penalties for this type of action and then we might get better trained staff.

I expect CROWN CASINO to do something about this URGENTLY.

[Strong Play]

Yeh but was the guy in seat 2 a regular?

[MichaelVuka]

No he's not but I am.

[Suicide_KINGS98]

Originally Posted by Strong Play

Yeh but was the guy in seat 2 a regular?

lol

[chenyan]

Why you shoving 50k with AA/KK for ?

[mali]

I was on the table in seat 1. i couldnt believe the player was allowed to keep the 12k and fold. I think every 1 new the rules except the people running the tourney.lol. It was the 2nd wrong ruling i saw during the tourney.

[whitey9999]

I heard the rule that if you didnt notice a raise, then if you put in some chips not equal to a call, you can take them back but saying that when the dealer says it, it should be noticed by everyone. Thats the only reason why i can see the tds screwing that up.

[MichaelVuka]

It seems everyone on the table heard the all in call by me and the dealer but the player in seat 2.

By the way. I was holding AA

[Michael Josem]

the guy is obviously not running an angleshoot, so let him have his chips back, imo.

[Michael Josem]

I don't know if there are special house rules at Crown, but Robert's Rules of Poker indicates that the TDs were right:

From Chapter 13-14 Kill Pots / No Limit and Pot Limit -- Poker Rules - Roberts Rules of Poker

12. Because the amount of a wager at big-bet poker has such a wide range, a player who has taken action based on a gross misunderstanding of the amount wagered may receive some protection by the decision-maker. A "call" or “raise” may be ruled not binding if it is obvious that the player grossly misunderstood the amount wagered, provided no damage has been caused by that action. Example: Player A bets $300, player B reraises to $1200, and Player C puts $300 into the pot and says, “call.” It is obvious that player C believes the bet to be only $300 and he should be allowed to withdraw his $300 and reconsider his wager. A bettor should not show down a hand until the amount put into the pot for a call seems reasonably correct, or it is obvious that the caller understands the amount wagered. The decision-maker is allowed considerable discretion in ruling on this type of situation. A possible rule-of-thumb is to disallow any claim of not understanding the amount wagered if the caller has put eighty percent or more of that amount into the pot.

Example: On the end, a player puts a $500 chip into the pot and says softly, “Four hundred.” The opponent puts a $100 chip into the pot and says, “Call.” The bettor immediately shows the hand. The dealer says, “He bet four hundred.” The caller says, “Oh, I thought he bet a hundred.” In this case, the recommended ruling normally is that the bettor had an obligation to not show the hand when the amount put into the pot was obviously short, and the “call” can be retracted. Note that the character of each player can be a factor. (Unfortunately, situations can arise at big-bet poker that are not so clear-cut as this.)